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Deception
January 1, 2015
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Heres wishing everyone A Happy New Year.
Recently I’ve been thinking about my game and believe I’ve got myself caught up in the trap of trying to use deception too much & especially against better players. Has any of you fellow forum members had this issue? (Maybe I’ve been watching to much of LYD & LCW)
My thoughts are they better then me I need to gain an advantage & need to be cunning & to try & out fox them, then mix up my shots so as to keep them guessing.
Would it be better to concentrate on playing orthodox shots & not rely on trying too many deceptive shots? Then work on what’s not working.
Looking forward to your thoughts

January 2, 2015
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I use deception when all other plans fail. Recently played a singles match against a guy half my age. He was simply better, period. No matter what I tried, he had the good answers. First game was okay, but the second one … I tried everything, so I simply played the match.
Cheers, and a happy new year
ED

January 2, 2015
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This is a tough one. The important aspect about deception is that you have to be prepared to hit the big shot from the rear court, before introducing an alternative. When playing at the net, the shuttle must be taken early to get the most from deception. This means you have to be moving well to set up the shot.

Sometimes you need to add an element of deception into the game to keep the opposition guessing. However this should be intregrated with excellent basic shots. Against a good player the best you can do is try to play an opposite pace to their preferred speed. Tactical changes can achieve more than deception but of the consistency in the tactic.

With fast players you need to slow the shuttle down and give them lots of time to wait for the shuttle. However, your work rate will be extremely high as you will need to move and hit quickly. There are opposite skills, to play fast but create a slower pace on the shuttle.

Paul

January 14, 2015
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So when playing against really tall players with go go gadget arms is it best to hit straight at them & if possible at their feet, so they can’t utilise their reach? Rather then trying to wrong foot them or sending them the wrong way.

January 15, 2015
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Dobbie98 said

So when playing against really tall players with go go gadget arms is it best to hit straight at them & if possible at their feet, so they can’t utilise their reach? Rather then trying to wrong foot them or sending them the wrong way.

In my view, the best thing to do against a player with a long reach is to try to “cramp” them. Good shots for this include straight at the body (don’t bother with the feet, just straight at their chest!). The BEST shot for this is actually a fast clear that goes directly over their head, in line with them – in doubles this is in the middle of their half, and in singles this is down the middle of the court. Tall players (and most players in general) tend to be happier to reach for the shuttle, rather than move their feet – so playing a clear directly over their head will often leave them trying to reach backwards to play the shot which is very awkward compared to reaching out to the sides to play a shot.

This is a great tactic and one that is used a lot in high level singles.

In order to get an edge, what you really need is fast feet and excellent racket preparation – if you threaten to take the shuttle early (especially at the net and in the mid court) then your opponent will be unsure what shot you will play – this uncertainty is what creates the deception. As Paul said, from the back of the court you need to show a powerful shot before you can then mix it up. Just to note: if you always show a smash, and never play a smash, then you are easy to play against – your opponent needs to fear your smash in order for the variations to work – deception is something you add to your game, not a replacement for your game!

January 15, 2015
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Hi Matt, thank you for your thoughts very insightful . Just wish I had the opportunity of reading your advice before attending club night. I’m Looking forward to putting your advice into action. I will let you know how I get on.

January 23, 2015
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Re deception, can anyone explain or provide video footage of how to do a drive that looks full on but in fact the shuttle dies quicker I.e like someone looking as if they are smashing when in effect its a deceptive drop shot. Not sure if this shot exist, but I want to put it in my locker.
Hope someone can help & this makes sense.

January 27, 2015
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There is a video coming up we filmed on a previous advance course which covers this although it’s more of show me the soft shot and at the last second introduce the punch.

Deception is created by having the framework in place which is identical for each shot. After that, the only difference is what the hands do.

Paul

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