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Club players don't want to train
August 26, 2014
6:45 pm
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It seems impossible to find anyone to train with in my area, which covers two leagues. During the season I hear players groaning about their shortcomings but rarely do they want to improve by repetitions and practices. I imagine they think it’s dull but it isn’t, unless you have the wrong attitude. I’ve advertised but I honestly don’t think people can be bothered. It seems the only way is to hire a coach who plays at a similar level to me (can’t find any high level ones) and pay him/her for 2-4 hours a week @ £40-£80. Why is it that club players in the UK generally don’t practice? Maybe they just aren’t keen or motivated enough, or mistakenly think practice comes from playing games. From what I’ve seen and heard over the years, players want to play better and yet do absolutely nothing toward this end. Why is that??? I wish I lived in Denmark where they have a different, healthier mindset!

P.S. I can only log in with IE as Firefox repeats an error “Not Acceptable! An appropriate representation of the requested resource could not be found on this server. This error was generated by Mod_Security.” I imagine this must affect others too and therefore the amount of posts here (?).

August 27, 2014
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Gotta say I am a club player with the mindset you don’t like.

Sure, I want to improve my badminton all the time. That said, would I pay continuously for something I will not ever have the chance of being super competitive?

Training in my opinion IS dull, usually caused when not all coaches do what YOU want to learn.

Besides, I can move upwards on my own (although not nearly as quickly).

August 28, 2014
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AlexLaw said

Gotta say I am a club player with the mindset you don’t like.

Sure, I want to improve my badminton all the time. That said, would I pay continuously for something I will not ever have the chance of being super competitive?

Training in my opinion IS dull, usually caused when not all coaches do what YOU want to learn.

Besides, I can move upwards on my own (although not nearly as quickly).

Alex, I can’t help but think you have missed the point of Dee’s post – Dee is upset that she has nobody in her area that she could book a court and practice with – you on the other hand are talking about how much you consider it a waste of money to pay for coaching. Everything you have said points towards paying for coaching, and for some reason not enjoying the session (the coach after all will set objectives with you, and help you achieve them – so they can’t be teaching you things you don’t want to learn, unless you didn’t do the objective setting!). However, what Dee wants is to be able to meet up, outside of clubnight, with players who want to improve, and to practice some shots to get better. I do not think this is unreasonable, and its not at odds with what you have said.

To Dee: good luck finding some like minded players. You will be hard pressed to find them in the UK. However, I would suggest that the best way to find what you are looking for is to move to a more competitive club – one that cares more about competition than about social play. If the only way to get into such a club is by having some coaching to improve your standard of play, I recommend you go for it. Have a 1 or 2 hour lesson once a week for 6 months – you will benefit hugely from it!

Good luck!

August 28, 2014
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I would suggest this simply comes down to time for most people.

Your average club player only wants to play 1 or 2 nights a week, which is pretty much covered by a club night and any club matches. Any training on top of that is going to eat into social/family time, which for most people is very precious and limited. Particularly for people who may play other sports or have other hobbies.

Only those who are particularly committed to badminton are going to have any interest in training on a regular basis, which I would suggest, for the most part, in this country is limited to those of a county standard or higher.

I think Matthew’s advice is correct – if you can afford it I would suggest your best option is to invest in some professional coaching.

August 28, 2014
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Alex, I can’t help but think you have missed the point of Dee’s post – Dee is upset that she has nobody in her area that she could book a court and practice with – you on the other hand are talking about how much you consider it a waste of money to pay for coaching. Everything you have said points towards paying for coaching, and for some reason not enjoying the session (the coach after all will set objectives with you, and help you achieve them – so they can’t be teaching you things you don’t want to learn, unless you didn’t do the objective setting!). However, what Dee wants is to be able to meet up, outside of clubnight, with players who want to improve, and to practice some shots to get better. I do not think this is unreasonable, and its not at odds with what you have said.

It did not come to me that you could ‘practice’ with your friends without someone who has a higher level of technique than you. I suppose there could be some improvement but it is going to be quite limited. That said, I think it would benefit for sure doing it a few times. The idea is a good one although it’s gonna need a bit of structuring.

I suppose it does not really sound like an attractive idea because most players usually make their mind up and decide to improve as much and as fast as possible (giving money), or decide that they are just going to take it casually and have no will to legitimately improve.

Honestly, after being lectured by a national team player in HK for an hour, I learnt that there were so many problems with my play it’s basically beyond repair.

August 28, 2014
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There is some interesting comments here.

Dee, I do feel for you as I have the same problem. I wish to practice and struggle to find a player who has the same mindset.

Alex, I respect your wishes not to improve, that’s your choice. My courses have become popular because players tell me they cannot find a coach to help them. I have players from as young as 16 and the most senior was 71 (he only began playing badminton at age 68). he is the proof that you are, within reason, never too old to learn. However, if you have a complex number of old, bad habits, it’s unreasonable to solve them all within a short series of lessons. However, bad habits can be broken if the desire to change is strong enough.

In your case Alex, wanting to improve is barely, if at all, a should and certainly not a MUST. That’s fine. However, I meet players so often who really want to improve but can’t be bothered doing anything about it. Likewise, their motivation isn’t strong enough.

The fact that demand for my courses is increasing faster than I can supply demonstrates a clear need for senior players if there is a coach(s) willing to teach them. That said, I still reckon players who will do something to change their game are in the minority.

I get the feeling you have had a few bad experiences judging from your last post and this may have contributed to your current line of thinking.

At the end of the day, this game is supposed to be fun. If somebody wishes to improve to hopefully get more enjoyment from badminton then that’s fine. If your current level is enough for you then that’s great too although I’m sure when you miss a shot of two you fret about it and wish you knew how to solve that particular problem.

Paul

August 28, 2014
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I just gave this topic another look at – if courts cost like 7/8 an hour and a tube of grade B shuttles cost 20 plus in the UK, it’s probably more efficient to hire a coach.

If you think about it, if you practice with a coach, you can get spoonfed during the full hour to you for roughly 35 dollars (all included). Good coaches know what you want to do and are more experienced, creating a structured routine.

If you practice with your friend, you’d get only half the amount of learning. Another important point is that your training friend isn’t a pro, so he/she may not know the proper technique. It would roughly cost about 15 dollars each person. This is because you don’t have a luggage of shuttles which coaches do, nor can you get normal shuttles at the price they are getting. From an efficiency perspective I’d much prefer having the coach.

As this topic is not centralized around me, I’ll leave the rest in brackets.

(Sufficient it is to generalize that I can comfortably defeat almost all club players but will get brutally slaughtered by people who take badminton seriously. Thus, I have little opponents to face who would make it fun for me. Improving would take too much time, so therefore I’m left in an awkward situation. Give me a year back, and I’d rather be the guy being in the lower-mid card in the club. I feel like I’m getting very low returns for extra learning now. I am an AA myself. However, my technique is horrible and my strategy of smash it all is ‘weak’ to a point many middle aged people (even coaches) with tactics and good technique think they can beat me. When I am paired with another AA what I see always happens is their technique and tactics simply get overwhelmed by brute speed and smashes, steamrolling them into oblivion. Why should I learn how to do a spinning net shot when all I need 90% of the time is the lift or the net kill? Any sort of significant improvement and I’m still miles away from the national team players.)

August 29, 2014
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Thanks for the comments. I may not bother to play in leagues this season as I’m not happy enough with my game and want a return (approximately) to the standard I was a year ago. Playing below par is not an enjoyable experience for me and ends in frustration, hence my aim of frequent practices. I’m becoming disillusioned with badminton. I suppose the option of going to a high level club is there but my enthusiasm has waned and I ask myself do I want the extra travel all through the winter months when I could do another sport locally?

August 30, 2014
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Sorry to hear that you are losing enthusiasm for this glorious game. I would definately suggest going to a higher level club especially one that may have coaches or good players that may offer coaching. Nothing is going to get you back up to your previous level of play (and better) quicker than a coach. A good coach is incredible at spotting deficiencies in your game you didn’t even know you had and of course coming up with remedies to fix them. Also you may find that some of the coaches clients would like to do practice sessions with you. I am sure they could point you in the direction of suitable training partners. Even better if you can get doubles or group sessions so you may be able to meet other people interested in investing time improving their game and set up sessions with them. Good luck I hope you find your enthusiam for the game again.

August 31, 2014
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Dee

I completely understand where you are. It is so easy to lose motivation when you struggling to achieve what you want. It’s a shame you don’t live closer as you could have been my ideal training partner! I have the same issue however, due to my coaching commitments and lack of time to physically train, I am not taking my performances too seriously and take heart in the fun I get from the game.

Alex, interesting comments as you now see opportunity – good luck to you.

Paul

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