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GB Badminton?
March 12, 2013
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I have wanted to start a thread on GB Badminton for a while now so here it goes. I wasn’t sure where to start it so I choose the advanced section as there had been a previous post about badminton in Asia.

I have noticed over and over again that GB badminton has had negative headlines over coaching methods, leadership, player relationships and alot more. Could any of you give me some insight into whats going on with GB badminton? The most recent negative headline being Jenny Wallwork leaving the set up and making a number of stinging remarks.

I was also sad to see the pair of Bankier and Adcock, who had been on the rise & won the XD world silver (ok their olympic campaign wasnt great), be spilt due to Bankiers decision to join the Scotland set up for the commonwealths in 2014. But I think it’s fair to say there is a lot potential around Adcock and White but they didn’t exactly set the All England alight! Then theres Robert Blair, team Scotland, team England and then back to team Scotland again. I mean he is a good player but now he’s playing MD with some Malaysian who probably met down the pub – is there no way to find a suitable partner within the GB set up? The same goes for Bankier who now playing with a Bulgarian in the WD without much success too be honest. What’s your thoughts or knowledge on pairings etc..?

This brings me to my last topic…the division of the badminton associations. I do understand and think its right to have the separate associations to focus on the grass roots and development of the game in the different parts of the UK but the division on the international competitive level (other than olympics) is just laughable!!!! It’s already difficult enough to gain success at international level due to the dominance of the Asian nations but we make it even more difficult for any player or pair from the UK succeed due to this stupidity. When I watch international competitions I am sad to see players from Sco or Eng playing in separate teams when we would be stronger playing together in one team, I mean for goodness sake they all have British passports so could there not just be a GB team? Indonesia is a diverse nation with many people’s, groups and kingdoms but they all play for team Indonesia not Aceh, Java or Sulawesi as that would be stupid!!! Now I may be missing something here, so please enlighten me as to why we are not playing together as one GB team in order to gain some success on the international level. FYI, I am Scottish and I want to say well done to team England on the bronze medal at the Euros, if there were a few more players all under the GB team banner then maybe it could have been more than a bronze.

I would really like to have some constructive discussion and hear the thoughts of you experienced people, but please let’s not get into the hateful cycle which usually occurs on BBC forums after an article about Andy Murray!

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Graham

March 12, 2013
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Well, what a reading ! To place this in a global context, I have no idea if the situation in Belgium is better or worse, but I have the impression we have a very good team all together. Though not (yet) the same level, but that will come in time.

Continuing globally, I'm not that sure if the situation is any better overseas. It looks like Denmark has a good team, though all sponsored by different brands. Strange. Indonesia, their 1st XD couple now sponsored by Viktor. A few players left the national team (amongst them Olympic champions), then rejoined, then left, then sponsored by Superfly or something … That's not what I would call stable. Emerging powerhouse Thailand: their top MD split. Bodin is now playing another Thai, after he said to leave the national squad. Hmm… China seems to have a good and stable team. Korea too. Or at least, that's what we see.

But indeed you have a point. We have no Flemish or Wallon players, only Belgian players. And I hope it stays that way. I don't think a sports team is different than a company team. If all noses point in the same direction, then all goes smooth and results will follow. Having a golden team, is priceless. Like the 4x100m estafette: Bolt is never the 1st runner, because he starts too slow. But he can live with that. That's sports too, know what you're capabilities are and leave what others do better to them. Concentrate on what you do best.

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March 13, 2013
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Ed

 

The Indonesian Team historically was sponsored by Yonex. However the association has now allowed players the right to choose their equipment provider rather than remain under the control of the association. This is why the players are selecting different sponsors. This is a big step for them, whilst players in most other countries have had the ability to choose which equipment manufacturer they would like sponsorship from.

 

Graham, wow great post. Without getting into politics, GB program relies on players to train at Milton Keynes or other venues. Some players have chosen to speak out against the system and this needs to be done. After all, this system has spent a lot of tax payers money and not produced a medal for Olympics. In fact, we really struggled to send any players to olympics never mind send a full quota such as China did.

 

Like most sports, individuals represent their own country in international tournaments. There is only Olympics where we come together as a nation and the flag of team GB.

 

For pairings those under GB system are paired together – no matter whether they like it or not. Robert Blair chose Bin Shen because they are friends and they have both struggled to find partners in their respective countries. Rob has also had the difficult transition from “transferring” from England to Scotland which meant he was inelible to play for Scotland for 3 years (if memory serves me well).  Bin Shen is a very good player indeed, who chose to play outside the Malaysian system, hence his struggle to find a partner when his previous partner retired. Rob has spent considerable time training in Malaysia with Bin Shen so he obviously values him as a good potential partner.

 

I could go on…but enough for now.

 

Paul

March 13, 2013
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A permanent Team GB seems unlikely as we are talking about different countries, not states or regions. If most other sports are anything to go by, athletes are proud of their country whether it be England, Scotland, Ireland or Wales. Still, I can see the value in pooling resources but I don't think it will happen. Then there are the players' egos to contend with…the attitudes, the disagreements, the drop-outs, etc., which might be magnified.

 

I envy the Danes having such a great badminton infrastructure. I happened to play a league match against a Dane who was studying in England, and after a post-match chat I could see the difference in the set-up of each country is chalk and cheese (unfortunately for us in the UK).

 

I don't think creating a Team GB is the answer. It's more about widespread badminton education and promotion plus high level training and coaching. To compete with the likes of China these days will take some doing.

March 16, 2013
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I think we have to draw a few conclusions here.

 

1) We are unable to compete with China, and so are most countries based on the fact their training system, culture and population dictate they will always be able to introduce super-talented youngsters to the world circuit. Frankly, we are lucky to introduce 1 player per 5 years. We have a few up and coming players but whether they will make it is too early.

 

2) Badminton is a national sport in Denmark and therefore also has far more youngters and superior infrastructure compared to UK.

 

3) UK has a system which is failing badly and we cannot produce the coaches to help our players transition to international ranking. Also our overall standards are falling and I really don't understand how we are going to reverse this trend at the moment.

 

Paul

March 19, 2013
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The uk has many good coaches like your selves ,,, there is plenty of young players to do GB proud so you guys keep up the good work , and make us a force to be recond with 😉

March 19, 2013
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Well, I forgot to mention the Netherlands. They have a national team, and the last few years they made the headlines by conflicts between players and staff (correct me if I'm wrong), and now by cuts in their national team because of budget reasons. They have talented players too, like Pang, Palyama, and a bunch of arising talent. The final WS with Mia Audina in the OS 2004 I saw on the Dutch tele by accident. This made me start to play myself.

I guess there's a bit of problems in all squads. Perhaps even China, only we won't read this in the media. But Paul is right: China rules badminton, I guess for a few years to come. I hope the UK can sort it out and start all over again.

Cheers, ED

March 24, 2013
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Interesting thread here, could do with it's own section on the website for things like this.

 

Anyway, one thing that came to mind whilst reading this, would creating a Team GB be a short term fix. Yes we could be doing or had done better over the last few years if we had join forces. BUT, how do you determine where the money comes from, should Scotland put in the same amount as England. Also, from what I've read before now, one of the main gripes was that most players trained in Milton Keynes. The problem is or was, that if you didn't train here, you technically weren't training with the best players in the country. Players that would push you to new levels (one reason why other countries will do better as there are more better players to practice against). So whilst you think you are training well and beating everything on sight, once to enter a international tournament, you soon find that you've got a long way to go! This is why Andrew Smith went abroad and train elsewhere. OK it hasn't made him into a Lin Dan mark II BUT he might not be the player he is today if he hadn't done so.

 

And funding players would be a big sticking point. I know players like Alistair Casey (Scottish Singles Player), used to own a nightclub and pubs (I think) and sold it all to fund his badminton career. Everyone has a different set of circumstances. 

 

As for the in fighting, well, you'll always get that. I think have the problem Robertson had with Blair was the fact that Blair was Scottish playing in the England team and could possibly beat Robertson! Maybe that wouldn't have flared up so much if it was a Team GB? Possibly, who knows.

 

But, I get your point and your ideas and do agree with them to an extent. But it would involve A LOT of work to organise and I know that Scottish Badminton setup is worse than England's (someone in a office position was using money to pay for a flat or something, and flights to tournaments). But it could work. Would I like it to work? Yes and no. Yes as it could improve British badminton now and for the future. And no, because of the English rose! Laugh hahahaha

 

But forget the players a minute, you need to start at the top. How do you pick the structure for all the positions, and how does the funding work? And who would be willing enough to take the brave first step to such an idea? It could work though, it really could.

 

And Paul is right, Blair had to work his way back up the Scottish ladder again and wait about 3 years before he can play for Scotland again. Badminton England really did not help Blair in any way, and for that, I'm embarrassed. I know that you never know what goes on behind closed doors but…………………

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