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Return the shuttle by all means ?
March 28, 2014
10:25 pm
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I've been giving some though on how to name this post, or in what forum to put it. I would just like to know if this is allowed officially ? Ever seen this ? Watch carefully !

All comments welcome, but I would prefer to keep it to the legal part. Is this allowed according the rules ?

Thanks in advance,

ED

March 28, 2014
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I'm not very good with the rules but this is not legal. You can allow the shuttle to hit the frame of the racket as long as it hits the strings and only once, but to use your hand is illegal. The fact that the player attempted to do this is crazy as if I ever dropped my racket I can't say that I'd ever think “oh I'll just use my hand!”.

 

Whilst the empire is wrong to allow it, he's not 100% at fault in my opinion. Once you have watched the video and know what happens when, if you watch it again and just look at the empire the whole way through, you can see that he doesn't pick up the fact that the player has dropped his racket and then misses the fact that he used his hand and by the time he looks properly at the player, the player has the racket back in his hand.

 

I don't know the rules on umpiring but I can't see why none of the other officials could have flagged the issue if they had seen it so perhaps they are guilty too.

 

Oh, and just as a side note, I know you spent quite a while thinking of a topic header, but I took the title to mean something happened during serving, so was focusing on that (thinking of players moving too early and what not) Laugh 

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March 29, 2014
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Good video Ed

Pete is quite right, it is illegal.

Rule 13.3.5 It is a fault that if in play, the shuttle touches the person or dress of a player. So even if the player had been holding his racket and the shuttle came off his hand it's a fault.

You've got to admire his quick thinking but amazing he got away with it.

March 30, 2014
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Well, the judge not noticing anything surprised me a lot. What amazed me as well, is he got the shuttle back over the net by hitting it with his hand, from the back tram lines. Throwing ok, I think I can manage, but hitting ? That impressed me. 

Thanks for the comments.

All the best, ED

March 30, 2014
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Interesting thread and great question.

 

I agree that it is the intention the shuttle should be struck by the racket and no other part of the body. It does pose a question though if the shuttle hits your head and remains in play whether umpires would call a fault. I believe most would.

 

Paul

March 31, 2014
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I think we are now into the very grey area of integrity.

Anyone at the top of their sport knows the rules and, like most sports, push it to the limit. If you think you'll  get away with it , do it.

Lets not kid ourselves, it now happens at all levels of our game.

I'm now seeing juniors who are perfectly ready and able to receive a serve putting the hand up aka international players. When did this become the norm. Together with the triumphant fist and holler of delight at a point won, even a competitors mistake. This is taken from badminton at the top level.

What to do.

Are the days of sportsmanship gone. If so what do we tell our junior players.

Are we playing to win at any cost.

What are your feelings on the ethics of YOUR game. 

Do you think that fairness has no part in modern sport at any level.

Looking forward to the replies.

 

Roger

April 1, 2014
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To be fair, it's not just badminton, we are talking tennis, football etc etc

 

And not to get too deep, but I honestly believe the mindset in the modern world is changing. People doing things to see if they get caught or flagged up, if they don't then they carry on. I see people park in disabled spots, child and parent parking at supermarkets. Nobody says a word, nothing will ever happen. That's the attitude these days. To take advantage of everything. People are also getting very lazy. I try to raise my children to have manners, which is difficult as it is as they are children, but even harder in this day and age because of what everyone else is doing (in my opinion).

 

It may be a good thing that you can now look for videos of badminton matches and watch to your hearts content. But on the flip side, this also means that every match is available and all the little tricks (bad sportsmanship) that players do are more exposed and easier to see (slow motion replays etc etc).

 

I'm not a coach but I'd imagine it is hard to watch the kids do this and even harder to explain them not to do it when all the top players do. As for what to do, I wouldn't have a clue. People attitudes are changing and there isn't a lot you can do about that but at the same time, it's not something that you'd want to encourage. I think the best bet would be to carry on with your values and hope it sinks in for someone. Remember, not all will take heed, but if only a player does then it is all worth the while. It's very easy to see some of the kids bend the rules and start assuming they are all doing it and not seeing that there are kids that are very good at good sportsmanship.

 

I've always tried to play as fairly as I can. I don't do silly mind games and I call a shot out if I think it's out or not sure and see what my opponents think, maybe play a let? And if your opponents just greedily take the point then it'll come back and bite them on the arse at some point! In my experience, if you play fair, then there are other line calls that will be fairly called/treated. But if you are blantley calling shots out when they aren't then don't be too surprised if later on in the game your opponent does the same to you!!! What comes around goes around!

 

For fairness in modern sport, I think it's still there, but just in a different form. And also, going back to technology today,  a lot more could have gone on in sport in the past that you wouldn't have seen. Whereas now, for instance, in football you can get player cameras. In Formula 1, they have cameras on the cars and stewards can watch on board footage back and decide if the driver MEANT to push the other car off the track. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

 

Sorry for the rambling, but you did ask! Laugh

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April 1, 2014
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Great ramble Pete. It's obviously a subject you care about.

Interesting the comparison you draw between modern life and sporting values. Also that, although modern technology is catching the cheats and bad behavior, it's also showing those so disposed how it's done.

 

Keep the replies coming.

April 1, 2014
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There's a great deal about modern day players behaviour I despise. In particular I really hate the antics by so called champions who resort to intimidation and psycho techniques to unsettle the opponent. Personally I would ban the players and the coaches for allowing such behaviour.

 

We really need a zero tolerance attitude whenever a sport is televised. Sadly this won't happen.

 

I agree that youngsters are copying and again it is up to the coaches and tournament officials to stamp it out.

 

Paul

April 3, 2014
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I recently played in an away match and found the behaviour of one pair of our opponents to be totally out of order, swearing loudly at missed shots, smashing racquets against hall dividing curtain also a little intimidation with some of our team and refusing hand shakes at the end of the match.

These were grown men probably in their mid to late fifties not impressionable kids.

I was all set to send an email of complaint to the league but decided against it when I found out the worst culprit is the Chairman of the league.

 

Is there no hope. 

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