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11:05 pm
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August 12, 2010
It is so difficult to work out exactly what is going on without seeing you in action, but I hope you continue to work hard!
It sounds as if you jump sideways and land on your left leg, so as to stop yourself moving sideways? You may even hit the shuttle before the leg has landed, or maybe as you land. If this is the case, I use a similar shot to this (refer to my movement posts for backhand corner under pressure, where I go from the center of the court, stepping back with my right leg and then hitting whilst stepping back with my left leg. My shoulders stay square on to the net). I don't normally smash from that position, but its extremely useful for when I have had to cover the court quickly and play a shot!
I would think that the way I described before is maybe a little bit different to how you do it. I said “sounds familiar” because I thought it may describe what you do! But after what you have said, I think the above description is slightly closer. So you know, a block jump is where you push off with both feet in a given direction, jumping for height or distance or both, and your feet do not swap positions in the air (unlike a scissor kick where they will change position).
What I meant by partner helping you out, is that if your partner drops back a bit when you are forced deep into the forehand side, if they immediately lift to the deep backhand side, you partner may be ready to move back wards and smash, instead of you smashing! But it sounds like you cope with that situation pretty well anyway 🙂
Happy badmintoning!
7:52 am
March 2, 2010
Hi Matt
Misinterpretation: depends who I play with. There's a few players I normally play with, and with them we form a “to beat” team. Even for better ranked players then I am. It's only when I play with someone I haven't played with before, misinterpretation can arise, with the result you mentioned.
What I also tend to do, but I must admit this was quite hard in the beginning, when I'm in the club playing matches, I use them for training, not bothering wether I lose or win (but off course the latter feels much better ).
The round the head smash you see in the videos, there are a few specialists arround the world: LD, LCW, …, they're able to smash really hard round the head. It is something very hard to master, but I must say when I started this, the first attempts looked like a fast drop. But if you don't give up and finetune your movement, it's getting better all the time (as every shot in badminton is). Not that I will ever equal the above mentioned masters in this technique, but I already made a few of my opponents frown their eyebrows. That too is an indication I'm getting there (and that momentum feels just great). Don't give up is the moral of the story. Played wednesday, and I have to admit that I do jump a little bit. You can't call it a jump smach, but I do level something like 10-20 cm. Indeed, very hard to describe when you never saw yourself in motion before.
Cheers ED
10:08 am
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11:11 pm
February 15, 2011
Thanks guys for all the work you've put into this subject.
Being able to hit a huge smash is on most of our wanted lists. There are a number of areas where you can really improve technique. However, you must also realise that genetics play a huge part in the power department. I've a meeting arranged soon with a personal trainer to discuss ways to improve fast twitch muscle fibres but, as I understand it, this is a medium term goal and not one that can be achieved overnight.
In order to build the smash, you really need to work from the feet upwards. So good strong legs and fast feet are required in order to ensure you get behind the shuttle.
You also need very strong core muscles. There's so many exercises you can do here. Please, do not under-estimate the work your core does in supporting your movement and power – it's critical.
Strong upper body is also required together with good technique.
Great vision is also required because a lot of the “power” in the smash is in the placement of the shuttle.
You can improve the racquet speed can hitting smashes with a squash racquet or using a head cover. This ensures the racquet head is connecting sqaure on in order to maximise the power. It's amazing how much harder you hit when you use your racquet again without a cover.
In answer to an earlier question, developing smash will be either video 8 or 9 and will be filmed in October.
I'm sure I'm going to be commenting again on this subject very soon.
Paul
5:34 pm
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August 12, 2010
I look forward to seeing those later videos 🙂
Your post Paul, highlights quite simply why I teach movement first! (and most). You must get in position. A good position will give you a sense of where to place the shuttle, and give you attacking options in all directions. Players who tend to get to the shuttle late, tend to only be able to smash straight, and with lesser angles!
I can greatly recommend practising with a squash racket! A few hours of training with that and any shot you choose will be far more effective (and easier) than before!
I look forward to hearing your future comments paul, as well as those from everyone else.
Perhaps paul, you would tell us about your smash? Do you enjoy it? When do you use it most? Etc etc…
7:28 pm
February 15, 2011
Matthew
I certainly profess to have a huge smash.
These days I rarely hit shuttles apart from feeding because I'm too busy watching the players and helping them make changes to their game.
I've not had the luxury of playing much over the last few years for many reasons and therefore I'm neither match fit or fit for badminton. However, I can still demonstrate well and help my students achieve greater things.
Whatever I've done in sport, e.g. running I've always been the distance guy rather than the sprinter. Genetically, I've a greater percentage of slow twitch muscles than fast twitch and therefore I'm not built for power.
That said, I tend to find that placement of my smash gets good results. Whilst I'm not tall, I can still hit angles by changing what I do, using slice when need be to change the pace and the angle. I watch for defensive weakness and then exploit to the fullest.
I'd love to work on my smash but my badminton is not a priority. I know that, with work, I could hit the shuttle a lot harder but I'm certainly not going to hit the shuttle as hard as Taufik.
Over the last few years I've used a three different racquets – Armortec 900 Power, Nano900 and Arcsaber 8DX. What I learned is that with my genetic makeup, a light-headed racquet was actually detrimental to my play. It was great at first having used a heavy headed AT900 Power, but then the weight difference wore off and my smash power deteriorated. As soon as I returned to the AT900 power, I got my smash back.
But, I wanted more out of a racquet so I tested Arc 8DX and found that it gave me more of everything. I now use this racquet all the time. For me it's a very underrated racquet but really delivers.
So, at the moment, whilst I'd like to spend a few hours a week in the gym and a few hours on court working my skills, I just don't have the time. This website alone takes all that time and more and I'd rather be giving to the badminton community and thinking about myself.
Paul
7:50 pm
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August 12, 2010
Thanks for sharing with us Paul! I wonder how many other people use slices to vary their angles of attack, it looks and sounds like a full power smash, but can often catch people out by surprise 🙂
I am sorry to hear that you haven't had as many opportunities to play as the rest of us fanatics, but I can speak for everyone when I say that we greatly appreciate all the work and knowledge you have put into making this great site and forum, and of course the videos and articles 🙂
From the sounds of your post, it seems you would be more of an attacking thinker than an aggressive attack player (when you do get the chance to play)? I wonder if anyone can name another attacking thinker who plays with an Arcsaber 8DX? Thats right! My hero Mr Lars Paaske! He obviously believes in that racket too 🙂
Thanks again for your input Paul, does anyone else have any smashing opinions?
p.s. I remember my first racket that I learned to smash with (and e-badminton brand racket), it was just like you described going back to your 900 power, all of a sudden, everything came back!
12:28 am
September 23, 2010
Is there any better feeling than hitting a MAHUSSIVE and perfectly timed smash from the rear-court and it not being returned??? In fact – there's not many better sounds either! Unfortunately my smash is severely lacking in CONSISTENCY!
Sometimes I feel like I could hit the shuttle through the floor and at other times I may as well have just hit the shuttle with a wet fish…its incredibly frustrating! If im honest though, I probably work on my smash less than any other shot. I think this is because in the early stages of my badminton, my smash was always my strongest shot. I had very little game other than a big smash and have therefore focused on improving everything else since. I even went to the extent a few years ago of playing for a year with a nanospeed in an attempt to make me less reliant on my smash.
I think that timing is my biggest problem at the moment – I find that I play my best badminton when i have little time to think and play on instinct and this is definitely the case with my smash. When I have plenty of time to prepare for my smash I often mistime the shuttle – not noticeably, just enough that my smash isn't as crisp and penetrative as it ought to be.
Despite this, I do think that a hugely powerful smash CAN be the most overrated shot in Badminton and one that if not utilised intelligently can put you in big trouble. Personally i would much rather defend against a very powerful smash than a varied one. At my level, this power is often twinned with a consistent trajectory and placement and eventually I will use the pace of the shuttle to outmaneuver my opponent. My mens doubles partner for example has a colossal smash and i will attack the net at every opportunity for easy kills early in a game. As the game progresses however this often becomes increasingly difficult as they begin to read it and return it with interest!
Conversely I absolutely hate trying to pick up a varied smash of less velocity, just when you think you're starting to read the placement….. FIDDLESTICKS ( i use this word when i get irate on court to make me laugh and relax haha)…. you've just taken a shuttle in the eye! And don't get me started on the wiley 'veterans' who appear to be able to hit the right side of your hip every time without fail!
This brings me on to my own placement of the shuttle. Many players often talk about trying to hit specific areas of the opponents body such as the right pocket (on a right handed player) but I find it difficult just to place the smash on the side of my opponent that I require sometimes! In mens doubles I will generally smash straight and down the middle as much as possible, I have a tendency though to become a bit 'smash happy' and forget to vary the speed and trajectory. In mixed doubles however my smash is probably more considered and i use my height more. If pushed to my backhand corner i will usually smash cross court, (round the head if required) at the lady as hard as possible. Is shes defensively proficient this can catch me out but as long as its successful I try and play it as much as possible. I often try and take some power of my smash in mixed doubles as well, attempting instead to use my height in order to bring the shuttle down very steeply, thus placing the shuttle behind the lady and in front of the man (if opponents are in this position).
Generally though I probably don't use my height and size to my advantage enough when smashing or in the rest of my game. Does anyone have any insights into making this most of these attributes?
Finally, in reference to what Paul said about genetically not being built for power and more of a long distance runner – im the complete opposite. Im a hopeless long distance runner but was a decent sprinter in my school days, my rugby game was based around making huge hits, im a venomous striker of a football and not too shabby at slogging a cricket ball around. If only I could translate this power to my badminton and obtain the huge smash i desire!
Oh the frustration! Top discussion though guys!
10:08 am
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August 12, 2010
Rich, i can't agree with anything you said more!
Nothing compares to the feeling of really letting one crack. I find though (because my timing is normally good) that once I get a feel for one of them, I can hit them all that way for about a week. I then lose the timing and have to work from the bottom again. I enjoy that week of powerful smashes, but its not a regular occurrence!
From what you were saying however, i think you have discussed your own problem of aiming the shuttle to a specific place! Your smashes tend not to be so “crisp” when you have plenty of time. This suggests to me that you do not make the most effective use of your shot when you have the TIME to aim it! When you get there late (and hit more powerfully) you probably didn't have the time to aim the shot as well as you would have liked. With regard to direction of the shuttle: the shuttle will travel in the exact direction your STOMACH is aimed at impact, this means your hips, abs and shoulders will rotate from a side on ready to hit preparation stance, to pointing towards the direction you want the shuttle to go, you then strike the shuttle, and the follow through allows your body to continue rotating a little! Getting a little bit further behind the shuttle and contacting it further in front, will bring about those steeper angles that you are capable of due to your height. I am not a tall guy, but if I reach up high and get behind the shuttle, I can make it pass about an inch over the tape, which should arrive at about knee height for my opponent, or even steeper! Hooray! (I say hooray because until recently I didn't have a very good angle on my smash!)
In my opinion, a slight loss of crisp impact is, for me anyway, a sign that I am taking the shuttle just a tiny bit lower/later than I should. Lo and behold as soon as I focus on taking the shuttle a little earlier, my smash goes from sounding like a pistol to a bolt of lightning! Give it a go? Maybe it will work for you! Remember to get enough behind the shuttle when you have time!
My final thought is how a hugely powerful smash is underrated. When you get to a certain level of play, the power of ones smash is irrelevant, because your opponents defences are too good. However, a powerful, accurate and steep smash, with variations (i.e. the flat slow smash! and slices!) are vital still, because it stops your opponent (normally) from coming too far forwards in his defence. If you can't smash well, your drops will be vulnerable (because your opponent takes a step forwards to counter your smash) and the only choice in this situation is a punch clear. It may be a good choice, but do we really want to lift it? I know I would rather not! Hence, in my opinion, although a hugely powerful smash is overrated, actually, possessing one, but not necessarily using it all the time, is invaluable, to “protect” your other slower attacking shots!
Matt
11:55 pm
September 23, 2010
Nice to know that im not the only person who has timing inconstencies Matt…although i doubt thats any consolation to you! Thanks for the input on my placement issues…I never realised/ have been told that your stomach will align with the direction of the shuttle…i'll have to look out for that one when i play tomorrow night. Do you or anyone else have any training regimes regarding placement of the smash…and can using targets be an effective method of improving this? My biggest problem regarding this sort of practice however, is that i rarely have access to a badminton court other than for club nights in which I can generally only play games.
With regards to taking the shuttle at the highest possible point, I am often guilty of striking the shuttle too late, its an old bad habit and i really have to concentrate on taking the shuttle early for me to achieve this in match play – its not a problem i have whilst knocking up or practising my smash, but sometimes when in the throws of a match this can hinder me.
I understand what you're saying about protecting the rest of your game by possessing a big smash, I cant think of many league players who haven't at least got a decently hard smash. As you have mentioned as well though, its not going to be effective throughout the course of a match unless you mix it up.
Rich
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