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The high service triangle
January 7, 2015
3:43 pm
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Marcus symons
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I realise this is a much talked about topic but this is a growing trend and a major issue amongst the newly coached county juniors across the country from what I’ve seen.

Backhand flick service (singles and doubles) is becoming embarrassing, particularity in my area (Devon/Cornwall). Many flicking it neck height at near impossible speed and angles to handle as the returner. So, so far past legal. A service judge would pick them up every single time. Who’s to blame?? the coaches letting this happen or not picking this up in training? the vagueness of the first rib waist height ruling and the inevitable grey area here? professionals constantly testing the edge of the ruling to gain advantage? or the individuals that I hear boasting about how they won that cheap point off court?

Lets all agree, its cheating and something has to be done about it.

I personally think its a combination that stems down from the professional league, like a development triangle working down form the point (professional leagues) and spreading all the way into social badminton at the base. The professionals push the limits of the vague ruling, this is then seen as acceptable form of gaining advantage by county coaches, this is passed onto their students at county level. These county players are seen as role models in the local leagues and this is then spread into social badminton like a virus.

So how is it sorted?…

I think a radical change in the ruling and handling of high service needs to come into effect in the professional league in order to sort this out and prevent our future professionals from pushing these limits even further and essentially and eventually completely changing the service situation in badminton.

Much like in the world of professional athletics (100m) a radical change in block start rules has changed and almost depleted false starting in the 100m/200m sprints. Do we need to enforce a 3 strikes and you’re out (game/match lost) rule? Or increasing the amount of points lost for illegal serving? (I realise this will have all sorts of serving position and player serving implications but I’m just throwing ideas out there). Maybe financial fines?.. I realise this is verging on radical but something needs to change.

January 12, 2015
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I can see where you are going here, but it’s a tricky one. I think at lower level, it’s hard enough to be playing without trying to watch the server and check that they are serving within the rules.

That and the fact that many people wouldn’t say anything, as you need to be 100% sure that the serve was illegal and you also need to have some guts to do so. Another thing to think about is that if someone brought it up, the game would stop and a conversation/argument would break out, therefore stopping the rhythm of play. Most people just want to play.

But yes, I can see your point, not entirely convinced that it stems from the higher tier, as I know someone who has an awful serve (as in illegal), but rarely gets picked on it. And he has been before and he has tried to change but I think it’s just the way he is and it’s never been brought up during a match.

Depends what type of league you are playing in I guess. But it’s difficult to argue without a umpire, and even if you solved this, there are still dodgy line calls etc. So swings and roundabouts maybe?

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January 12, 2015
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I was playing in a league match recently and a member of our team called the opposition for an illegal serve on several serves, it just caused an argument and a delay that upset everyone else playing in the hall with no chance of a resolution at this level with no service judge/umpires to call on.
I’m not saying it’s right but it’s just easier to play on.

January 12, 2015
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And here lies the issue that in many cases players don’t know the rules. The ones that do are sometimes afraid to say anything in fear of causing an incident. Players of the opposing team are more interested in winning although the majority wish to play fair and within the rules.

It’s a tricky one. I know a serve must be high when a shuttle passes my shoulder. Even from the tallest player it’s got to be illegal. In club nights we tend to let it slide rather than question. I can see both sides of the argument but if players continue to get away with it, others believe it must be OK or it’s fine for them to copy.

In many respects, clubs have to get their house in order first but it takes a strong character to lead the way and clean up.

Paul

June 8, 2015
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I’d agree with the OP but add that it doesn’t seem to be limited to coached juniors in my area but is increasingly creeping into club level too.

Where it’s one or two serves a game, I let it slide, but where it’s every other serve, it’s just getting ridiculous! I’ve started (in the last season) taking the point as an illegal serve on club nights within my club because it’s been talked about over the years and the repeat offenders should know better, but in matches it’s a little more difficult to call.

Call me sad, but I ended up devising an excel spreadsheet after one protracted argument with a member of my club. You can type in the relevant data, how close the server is to the service line, how high the servers waist is, where the receiver is stood, how tall they are, and how high the shuttle passes over their head. With the fixed height of the net, it’s often (with time and problematic enough offenders) possible to mathematically (with some accepted assumptions) prove that a serve has to be illegal.

June 10, 2015
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No easy answer to this one, if indeed there is an answer.

The last problem with serving if I remember was the S Serve in the early ’80, masterminded by the Sidek brothers. It involved holding the shuttle by the base and slicing across the feathers,the outcome being the shuttle tumbling over the net making an accurate return very difficult, if not impossible.
The rules were changed to say the base had to be struck first.

Not such a quick fix with this one.

So what to do.

Given Paul’s point that many players don’t know the rules that state:

The WHOLE shuttle shall be below the server’s waist at the instant of being hit by the server’s racket. The waist shall be considered to be an imaginary line round the body, level with the lowest part of the server’s bottom rib.

The clue there is imaginary. Unless we all dress like beach volleyball players ( Hmm just weighing up the pros and cons on that one, the cons have it) how can we really tell.
Given that the average shuttle is around 3 inches long that’s a huge margin if your not looking for it.

When I’m coaching my juniors and quote the bottom rib stuff, it goes very quiet.
And so it should.

If you draw an imaginary line at the front it’s going to cross your belly button, a much easier reference.

So, racket handle on Belly B at right angles, strings facing down, shuttle underneath, top of feathers touching strings, maximum height to strike shuttle.
Not an exact science I admit but the rules don’t call for preciseness.
I also teach them to have the racket arm straight and to place the shuttle onto the strings as a point of reference and serve from that position.

All players have their own style of serving and that’s where the problem of foul serves lies.
The hardest to detect are when the shuttle is struck as the arm rises from a lower starting position.

I’ll throw this out there.

What if the rules are, the shuttle arm has to be stationary and in a downward position before the shuttle is struck below the waist.

At the end of the day it’s down to the integrity of players at all levels, but if we can make life more difficult for the rule benders and breakers it’s only going to be good for our great sport.

Look forward to your usual great comments.

Roger

June 11, 2015
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I think a stationary shuttle arm might help but it’d still be very difficult to detect. Most drive serve motions are so fast the problem is that somebody starts stationary with a legal position and moves up in the process of the drive to finally contact the shuttle above the waist.

One of the people at my club varies the angle of the racquet motion and height of the shuttle by bending backwards at the waist. If you keep the shuttle arm locked and bend backwards at the waist, your arm moves up. Does this count?

June 13, 2015
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If you have a smartphone, why not purchase apps Ubersense or Coach’s Eye. I use both of these when coaching. I can record on video and play back frame by frame. It’s amazing what the camera picks up and that the eye cannot. it’s a great coaching tool. I think it would prove very interesting at club and may demonstrate how illegal some player’s serve are.

Paul

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