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November 30, 2010
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Jonathan, hard luck on your most recent efforts. From the sounds of things, you were struggling physically, but were outplayed by your final opponent.

 

Can I ask… what did your opponents do in the 2nd and third games that changed things so dramatically? They obviously got it right, but what did you and your partner do to try and counter what they were doing to you?

 

I think it would be good if you had time to share whatever thoughts you have on your matches, because I am sure many readers will understand exactly what you have to say! Maybe we can lend advice on what to try next time, whilst your comments will help us think about what we can try next time around too 🙂

 

I hope you recover swiftly 🙂 Maybe consider working on your core muscles whilst you rest your shoulder? This should give you a real edge when you go back on court (although i will point out that core strength training is what I suggest to everyone 🙂 haha)

 

Thanks again for sharing!

 

Matt

November 30, 2010
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Don't know if this can be of any help, maybe Paul or other real coaches on the forum can judge.
Don't bother too much Jonathan. This is not the olympics, I always tell myself. Makes me play more relaxed. But now seriously:
I always try to analyse my game. Not easy when you're on a tournament, I know. The tension and stress it brings… But I think this is vital, for answering the change of tactics of your opponent(s). In my former days, this analysis came after the match, too late. Don't know where the click came from, but I play more relaxed lately, and now I'm able to analyse my game troughout the match. So when I do things that don't work, I change after a few mistakes, I then go for the rally's and try to outplay my opponent(s). I'm no coach, but these 3 simple questions (but more important the answers to them) seem to work for me:
1) where did I lost most of the points, and what can I do about it
2) where did I win most of the points, and why shouldn't I exploit this to the bone
3) what is my opponent(s) aiming for ? Did he discouver my weakness(es) ?
First question, I try to avoid getting myself into trouble, highly related to the 3rd question. Suppose your backhand is rather weak, avoid using it. Take it forehand, or “roud the head”. Avoid your opponent(s) can use his/their best weapon.
Second question, don't take risks. If I was on the winning hand, I tended to try things, especially in MD. I stopped doing so. Clinch the match and save “trying things” for the club meetings. If I'm on the loosing end, I go for rally's halfway the game and try to even the score.
Third question, avoid to show your opponent(s) you weakness(es).
Once I played in a meeting for ranked players (I'm not ranked). I played mix, but my partner was higher ranked than me. We played XD like MD. We won eyes closed, 2 straith games. Why, because we did a brief analysis of our opponents before the match, and because my partner was able to hit power smashes, or a descent clear.
All of this is so much easier when you're at the sideline watching somebody else playing. But when it's you on court, there're so many things to think about. And on some occasions, you just simply have to admit the other side of the net was better… You win some, you loose some. But the possitive thinking strategy Paul mentioned on a forum item, is invaluable if you ask me.
So cheer up, and prepare for your next meeting/tournament/… On the WC2005 Lin Dan got humiliated by Taufik in the final. Look what became of this Chinese superman, he won all there is to win in world badminton.

November 30, 2010
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Fantastic post ed 🙂 Those are excellent questions to ask! Some people may struggle initially to REMEMBER what happened, but the more you think about it, the clearer it will all become!

November 30, 2010
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Guys

Yet again some great comments. Wouldn't it be good if we could get together for a night and talk about all of this without having to type?

Jonathan, I do think you're being way to hard on yourself. If you've developed a shoulder injury then to play on is tough. Playing can also cause long term serious issues, so think hard before doing this again. Sorry to say, but sometimes it's best to retire from the game and recover quickly.

What you should celebrate here is the fact that you got to a final and did it in style, beating others pairs comfortably using a sound tactical approach. And, it worked beautifully in the first game of the final.

So what went wrong? I'll guess that your opponents spotted a weakness, probably your change in smashing power and decided to let you see more of the shuttle to test this out. You said you made more mistakes and I'll bet you lost focus during the second game.

The thing to learn from this is how to re-group, figure out who took most of the shuttles in the losing game and therefore understand who was the target player and how your opponents were targeting you. Once you understand this, you can then devise a series of plays to turn the tables.

Do you guys want me to write an article about this? Or, do you know what to do? I don't want to write for writings sake.

On the subject of writing, I still can't believe that a few weeks ago I wrote an article about assembling your army, specifically saying it was part 1, and yet nobody has commented or asked me for part 2. So what are you doing with your army?

My final note here is simple. Jonathan, you reached a final and you're developing as a player. Stop beating yourself up over a result that didn't go your way and chalk it down to experience.

Paul

December 1, 2010
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Thank you for all your comments, guys.

 

I do not think I'm too harsh on myself or maybe a little bit. It's not the first time it happens and for the previous tournament, I wasn't injured. I let the same scenario happen again so I'm quite disappointed with myself.

 

@Matthew : I have a weakness and a serious one. I can't defend correctly with my forehand. It may sound stupid but I really can't. I'm doing a lot of progress with my backhand while defending but it doesn't go the same way when I'm switching to forehand. Second thing, I am way slower than my partner. No need to say that my Achiles tendons in pain weren't helping me.

 

As I remember, my opponents were using a lot of good drop shots to make us move in front and then settle the point with a big smash on my forehand or they make me move around the court.

 

@Ed : I appreciate the advice. Next time, I'll try to focus more on that. But hard to think about that when playing on court as you said. I'm really trying to improve my vision of the game. Seeing what would work or not and collecting info's and try to think about a strategy. In the first game, I guess I managed to do so or at least, at some points.

 

My friends who were watching us, gave us some advices too but… how can I say… I couldn't apply those advices as I don't really have the level to do it. As an example, I was told to smash in different directions to disturb my opponents. Easier said than done… I've told before I wasn't able to give various angles or directions to my smash.

 

@ Paul : Yes, it would have been great if we just could sit down and discuss about badminton while drinking a pinch of beer but I do not live in England. What a pity ! I'll make sure to attend one of your residential coaching one day haha.

 

And you're right, I was losing patience in the second game. Again focus… but it's really difficult to stay calm when you're losing a lot of points. In the third game I wanted to “test” some other shots.

 

I didn't want to let them have the opportunity to smash so I tended to play flat but miss a lot of shuttles there. My netplay suffered a lot as none of my netshots were good enough to disturb my opponents.

 

For my injuries, as it's snowing from everywhere and it's too windy outside. I will stay for a long time at home haha. For now, I have lost a lot of my motivation for badminton and I guess it's a good time to rest and recover. I'll see how things go after januari 2011.

 

That's all I can think about for now. I'm always glad to read all of your comments so don't hesitate to give advices or talking about your experiences.

 

Jonathan

December 1, 2010
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Dear Jonathan,

 

I agree with you! Defending with your forehand is not at all simple. Generally, people have a tendency to make too big a swing when defending forehand, when in my opinion, it is most important to make contact with the shuttle and simply block the shuttle back to the net. Obviously over time it is essential to build up ALL of the defensive shots on the forehand side, but when struggling, keep it simple to begin with and build from there. Also consider, are you READY for both sides defensively – are you holding the racket in a sensible place, and using a sensible grip that will allow you to play all your strokes/change quickly to a different grip.

 

In terms of tactics, it sounds as if your opponents really managed to find a weakness in your game. Although this is not easy to cover, consider these things when you are struggling defensively: if you are right handed, and standing on the left side of the court, aiming your lift to your left into the tramlines, will mean that your opponents straight smash should come onto your backhand defense, where you are more comfortable. You could also ask your partner to stand closer to you, so that smashes down the middle can be taken on your partners defense, rather than your forehand defense. Consider if you are right handed and on the right side of your court – any lift to your left (into the same tramline as above – even if it means cross court lifting from you) will make it much less likely for your opponents to be able to “find” that weak forehand defense you are working on, as you will be able to take most of the shuttles from that side of the court, on your backhand. It may be that keeping the attack on your partner at al times is also something worth considering (you need to talk these over with your partner).

 

I am well aware, that NOT lifting is the perfect way to play, but we must always work with what we have! You said you were given advice and you didn't feel you could apply that to your game: this happens a lot to a lot of people! You know what you want to do, but technically, you dno't know if you CAN do it. My only advice on this point is to believe you can! Then, you have a chance of doing it! If you feel you can't, then you definitely won't be able to.

 

I think getting to a final consistently is a good achievement. Its disappointing to lose when we feel we should have won, but losing does one thing winning doesn't often do: tells us EXACTLY what we need to improve next!

 

Matt

December 1, 2010
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I have to admit I completely forgot after reading the 1st part of the article. I lost scope. But we all don't want to stress our administrator, don't we Cool? I think everybody is digesting the loads of info from this forum. But anyway, awaiting the 2nd part, Paul ! And yes, if you have the time to spend a few thoughts on this subject and share them with us (humble players trying desperately to get better), please do so !

Cheers, ED

December 3, 2010
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Ed

It's always my pleasure to give you more information. The difficulty is sometimes knowing what you want. It would be great if players wrote in asking me for more on subjects they're having a problem with, rather than me try to choose what to write about next. Give me a few days and I'll write an article on ideas to try when it's all going wrong.

Part 2 on my article was written immediately after Part1. All I have to do is upload it which doesn't take long.

I think my article will get preference and I also have other topics to complete like a review of my last coaching weekend, testing Arcsaber 5DX, Nanospeed 6600.

And then there's Christmas so maybe I'll save part 2, which is really deep, off the wall stuff, for 2011.

Paul

December 3, 2010
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Hello Paul,

 

I'm like the others. I thought it would be quite inappropriate to ask you to publish an article when you have so much things to do.

 

For now, what I'm waiting for is your review about the Nanospeed 6600. But just take your time, it's not like I'm in a hurry. But your review could be more interesting if you could compare the 6600 to the 6000 as one is supposed to be the replacement to the other one. Just giving an idea here 🙂

 

Jonathan

December 9, 2010
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Well, maybe to keep things realistic and to not always bring the good news show to this forum: I had a lesson lately. I played singles, played relaxed, and rather focused. The opposition was something like 20 years younger than me, but of equal ranking. All through the match he smashed something like 5-10 times. Not much you see. I tried everything that I've been trying the last couple of months and that worked fine. Well this time, all the shuttles kept on comming back.

Brief analysis: not that I made a lot of errors (real errors like in the net, out, …), a few of my netdrops were not sharp enough so he reached them in time so he could drive them back behind me. His smash was maybe less powerfull than mine, he was just in all circumstances far more efficient and quicker than me. So about the entire match he outmanouvered me. There's no doubt in my mind this guy will walk through the lower ranks of competition quickly, and settle somewhere between the higher ranked players.
There's was nothing I had in my abbilities that could distress this guy. That's the time I know I simply have to congratulate him with his performence. I won't give the results, just take it from me: he won Yell. But that's not going to keep me away from what I like to do. As mentioned before, you win some you loose some. Now it's time to lick my wounds, and prepare for the next match.

Cheers, ED

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