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Stringing - Should I String Myself?
April 9, 2012
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ZACK

Sorry for changing topic but Peter i have never strung racket before but I am spending large amount of money restring racket and the worst thing is waiting for it to come back. So I want to buy a stringing machine so I can string myself. I say a tutorial on YouTube is him string voltric70 using a klippermate machine. I found that machine online for a very affordable price but is only a two point drop weight machine. Is it a good idea to use that for a voltric z force (the one that I'm using atm bcos as people have suggested to not switch around racket) and I like my racket strung upto 26 lbs if you can u suggest a machine for a beginner like me of course at a affordable price.

 

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The important thing is to learn how to string properly. Personally I wouldn't string your Z Force until you ar comfortable with the machine and how it works.

There are so many stringing machines available today. The type of machine you mention is very popular. But, it's always best of you get someone to show you how to string rather than think you can learn it all from a video. You have to consider that there are numerous stringing patterns to learn or be able to read so treat learning this new skill very seriously. In time, others may ask you to string their racquets which is a great responsibility.

 

Thought I would start a new thread on this, as I know there will be people out there thinking about this at some point.

 

I thought I would start off about me, so you know where I am coming from. I got into stringing by going halves with a friend on a machine. Basically, to cut a long story short, we were fed up with rackets coming back at different tensions and all the grief of getting a racket restrung (where we live anyway). My friend got taught the basics by a friend who strings squash rackets. My mate taught me and I've picked up stuff along the way and kind of self taught myself. I have never used YouTube videos, mainly because I can't, but I do know of someone who taught himself using YouTube videos so I know if you find a decent video, it can be done.

 

I do string for other people, but not as a business and for years, all the money that they gave me was to pay off the machine and tools and what not. I don't string that many rackets and do it half for helping out and the love someone loving their newly strung racket and half for the money.

 

I went to the same seminar on stringing as Paul (see other threads relating to stringing rackets) and have never been on a course.

 

I have a Pro's Pro machine, spring coiled. Didn't know what machine to get and thought this would be best. I use a stringing measuring tool each time I do a racket and don't rely on the dial as it can vary. The reason why I say this is because I know you won't get so much problem with a drop weight machine as they are weights and gravity. And I have once tried on my measuring tool on someone's drop weight machine and the results we much more constant. Plus you get a slower release rate once the string has been pulled and waiting to be clamped.

 

If I have bored you already, maybe stringing isn't your thing Laugh You will learn as you go along and there is a lot to learn and the tools aren't cheap. Short term it's very expensive. Long term it works out better.

 

I can't recommend a machine for you, but I do know Simon on here took up stringing (see threads on stringing in the “other” section). My worry is, in your mind you will be restringing your racket in a couple of weeks. However, I have to agree with Paul that you might want to start with other rackets first. It's not a quick fix by all means. I know you have to wait to get your racket done but you need to think, is this all really worth it? Will you have the time to learn it, or do rackets down the line? It's not something you pick up and then put down when you are bored (unless your happy to make a huge loss).

 

I also agree with Paul that having some help in person really does help, but as I've said, it can be done without. I have heard of a friend who brought a machine from someone at his club and they gave him some tips and a head start as well. He brought a second hand machine with a load of tools which got him started. He later on brought a new machine and sold the second hand one to one of his friends who wanted to learn. What I am saying is, it might be worth looking at second hand machines first to get you started. I know you like to get the best but there is nothing wrong with a second hand machine. I think I know a few places you could try.

 

There is so much more I could write, but there is no point unless I am asked as I could be putting you off more than anything. It might sound daunting to start with but as I keep saying, you pick stuff up as you go along. Paul's right about doing other people's rackets too, would you give your racket to someone at your club who has just taken up stringing?

 

Feel free to ask any more questions, I'll help where I can, and I am sure Paul will too. Although Paul is very much by the rule book, and I am more, erm, not? I suppose you could call me Del Boy Laugh 

 

All I can say, in my experience, to a certain degree, there are so many ideas on stringing that there is almost not a right or wrong way! One stringer will tell you something different to the next, bit like taking your car to the garage! Laugh Although Yonex top of the range rackets do have a particular pattern, and if you don't follow it and your racket breaks then your warranty would be invalid. But I am guessing your warranty would be invalid if you didn't use a Yonex stringer! There will always be something in my opinion.

 

Now I await for Paul to tell me off Surprised Laugh

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April 11, 2012
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Peter

 

many thanks for starting this new post. I think you said all that needs to be said.

 

Stringing any racquet means you need to understand the pattern. If you get it wrong the frame may break and it will cost you dearly by not only replacing the frame but also ruining your reputation. Racquet manufacturers will not replace a frame free of charge if it has been strung incorrectly or tighter than their recommended tension even if the professional players exceed this figure.

 

I think you went a little too far saying you need to have your beloved Yonex racquet strung by a Yonex stringer. If this was the case we'd all be queing at All Englands for a restring because that's the place to find the Yonex stringing team.

 

At the end of the day there are lots of competent stringers but not many good ones who really understand badminton. Most are tennis and squash racquet stringers and they don't really understand much about badminton string and the different qualities of each string.

 

I only string badminton racquets and wouldn't expect somebody to bring me a tennis racquet and know the different types of string to use. I could learn but would then seek to go on a course to talk to the guys who string at Wimbledon and the top tennis tournaments.

 

Paul

April 11, 2012
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I did actually buy a second hand machine from my coach. It is a 6 point manual machine and also he taught me how to tie off knot and how to start the cross stringing. So basically teaching me stringing 1 racket. I think is worth it because cost me about £20 to string one racket with bg66ultimax and have to wait for him to get the string because he doesn’t have it in stock, and also I am the only one uses that string he normally on string for people using bg65 and bg65ti. What kind of machine shall I use for a yonex top end racket. Also how do you know what pattern is on a racket. Also I tension all the mains then do the cross likedo it half way then tension it after that carry in putting string in then pull the rest but I have seen a shop what they do is have all the string in correct then tension it. Does it make a difference? Also does clamps make a different like yonex clamp better than other clamp? What if a grommet is broken? Also if I mean if I am string it for other people where about shall I price it bearing mind the cost of string. What kind of machine do you and Paul uses and what about your string measuring tools?

April 12, 2012
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Hi,

I've just bought a stringing machine myself so quite interested in this thread. I can't offer any great advice as yet but do have a couple of answers for you.

In terms of Yonex string patterns, their website has details on what patterns to use for different models of racket. Just Google 'yonex string patterns' and it will be one of the top results.

In terms of price I won't be stringing anyone else's racket until I've had a fair few go's myself. I want to be able to offer a consistant service and not risk breaking anyones racket! For the moment I am just practicing on my own rackets, and continually restringing old ones I don't mind breaking. In my leagues no one really charges more than £12-15 anyway so I'll be starting at £10 on the basis that I'm new and the price reflects this.

Obviously a reel of string can get the price down the most, but try having a look on Ebay for bargains. I've found some good retailers that works out at BG 65Ti at £3 per pack and BG 80 for less than £2.50 a pack. Good for trying out different strings and saves you having to lay out £70 on a reel in one go.

I have a Pro's Pro Challenger 6, which is a drop weight with a ratchet. Can't comment on how good it is as it's the only one I've ever used Smile. It came with a few tools but the one I bought in addition was a string puller, really useful for threading shared holes.

April 13, 2012
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I’m still new to stringing and finding new stuff out all the time so not sure I’m ready to give any advice on the proper stuff.

I’m the same as everyone else here, I only started because tension/string type intrigued me and I had a fair bit of spare time.

I got quite lucky in that I had a few people who wanted to try different tensions so I worked out a cheap deal for them and managed to get the money I paid for the machine back in about 3 months.

I think it all depends on seriously you want to take it, how much spare time you have and if you want to make a few quid.

I only do my own rackets and for people at the clubs I go to, I’m really happy with mine and noone else has complained so I’m leaving it there. It also means I get to keep an eye on how the tensions on different strings are affected over time.

The advice I was given was to do this and if I wanted to get more serious, go to a stringing course (can’t remember the exact name of it, BRSA or something).

As far as I’m aware you have to “pass” the course to get the accreditation so it would make you a qualified stringer, I’d say that was essential if you’re going to advertise yourself.

Apart from that the only thing I’d advise is to get a reel of BG65, it’s one of, if not the most durable and ideal for club players, find a customer with a big smash and shit technique, might as well take his credit card details there and then Wink and plod through for a while until you make enough off stringing to pay for a course.

When you get people asking for strings you don’t have, get them to provide them, over time you can build up your preferred stock and you can give turnaround times without worrying about suppliers letting you down.

I once had a “discussion” over charging a little more for a string that a customer said he could get cheaper, it turned out he was right if you don’t mind waiting 4 weeks delivery from China.

*added* If you go to the Yonex website and request a brochure, there's the stringing patterns for almost all their rackets in it, it also has descriptions of their more popular strings which is good to show customers whilst you're forming your own opinions.

April 14, 2012
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Simon

 

Great tips here.

 

One point that raises it's head frequently is time. If you don't have a lot of spare time, then it's fine stringing for yourself but will you be able to commit sufficient time to others? After all, reputations are made based on quality of job and turnaround time.

 

The courses are run by UKRSA and you will find them on the web. They run courses throughout UK so hopefully you won't have to travel too far. Bear in mind they teach you stringing tennis, squash and badminton and their knowledge of badminton is not as good as some of the guys I know who only string badminton. However, these guys string at Wimbledon and a lot of the major tennis tournaments in UK so they are very good indeed.

 

The other thing you need to consider and some may say I'm being a bit of a stick in the mud here is that if you are setting up a business you should register for tax – that's entirely your choice. However, you may be the unlucky one who strings for a player who works at Inland Revenue. As I say, it's your choice.

 

The main thing here is learning the trade. This isn't a little money on the side activity. What the badminton world needs is good professional stringers, even if you are part-time. We don't need any more amateurs under-charging in the market so that the professional stringers cannot make a living. There is enough for all but recognise that the price in the market is already fair for the investment in time and money a professional stringer has made. It's not the time to string one racquet but the committed time to string all the racquets they have already done to gain a good reputation. This has a massive value so please respect it. Under-cutting to steal business for a quick buck on the side does not exactly present you in the best light.

 

I'm not having a go here but just pointing out that I here about lots of people buying stringing machines and starting up, which is fine. But, if you are going to do this, then be professional as this is a skill anyone can learn. Think of it another way; if you built up a good stringing business and somebody came along under-cutting your prices and stealing your customers, how would you feel after all the hard work you put in? I rest my case.

 

Aside from all the above, there is plenty of information on the web to gather stringing patterns such as Yonex, Victor etc. Find the patterns, print them out and then they become a great reference manual. But you also need to learn how to draw your own patterns. This is required when you get a racquet in and can't find a pattern. You then need to draw from a picture of the racquet of from the stringing pattern in the frame already – but don't assume it's right – check it, in case another amateur got it wrong. I've had enough unusual racquets in where the strings have been cut out. I've had to do a lot of research to find a picture from the manufacturer with the racquet strung and then blow the picture up enough to write the pattern.

 

There's one last thing and I'm fanatical about this…Make sure you have a very good supply of spare grommets. It amazes me when I watch the stringers at All Englands that there doesn't seem to be a technician changing grommets before the stringers re-string the racquet. Split grommets are the main cause of string breakage, along with a poor mishit. So make sure you invest in a de-grommetting tool and plenty of different size grommets.

 

Paul

April 15, 2012
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Some great advice and interesting thoughts as usual Paul.

The one thing I had considered was the tax implications, I've recently rented a room out and looked into the tax issues for that, so it's in my thoughts.

The one thing I hadn't considered was that offering a lower price would be seen as under cutting a more experienced stringer. I only thought of it as a new stringer not being able to charge full price as the years of experience wouldn't be there. What I may do instead is charge the 'market rate' and therefore only get the business that I deserve, in terms of quality and turn around time, and build in that way, rather than essentially charging on the basis I'll do a bad job.

As I said before I consider myself a fair way from offering any kind of service publicly and aim to do my own rackets and friends to begin with. This way I hope to have a sympathetic clientel as I'm learning.

Thanks again for your input Paul, I definitely feel you have prevented me making a naive mistake in the future.

April 15, 2012
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Rob

 

There's another very important point I didn't mention about pricing.

 

If you undercut to gain a customer, what are you really teaching them? You see, there are people who will buy from you because of who you are and the trust they have in you as a person. There are some who will buy because you are in the same club and therefore it is convenient to give you their racquet. There will be many more, however all are THEIR reasons for buying from you.

 

Now, what you need to do is give them another reason why they should buy from you e.g. you are fanatical about testing different strings and tensions so you have a premium selection compared to most stringers and you are therefore more knowledgeable in your quest to help them find the best string for their style of play combined with their racquet.

 

Another reason, you give them a “testing” deal like no other stringer to make it more cost effective for them to return a racquet sooner to either test another string or tension until they do find the correct combination for their style and current choice of racquet.

 

Another reason, you will go through the same process again when they change racquet because their new racquet may need a completely different combination to play at its optimum.

 

Things like this, if you sell it, do a number of things.

1) You are providing reasons why they should use you over other stringers, which is directly of benefit to them – not you.

2) you lock the player into a deal with you under the testing phase therefore shutting out your competition.

3) You can then educate your player regards the strings which may result in completely crossing off certain strings from your data base on them (and for other customers too) because they do not respond well enough. This data is obviously yours and therefore no other stringer knows exactly what combinations have been tested – going back to number 2 again. The added benefit of this is shortening the testing phase for your customer next time around.

4) If a player does not have reasons like these for choosing you as a stringer, then they fall back to the only other method of choice and that is price. However if they are choosing on price, then you are also teaching them about customer loyalty. You see, whenever people buy on price alone, then they will always take their business to the lowest price seller. So, there is no customer loyalty and therefore it is very difficult to build a business if you do not have loyal customers.

 

Anyone reading this who is in business MUST take note. These lessons also apply to you whether you are a stringer or not. You have to give your customer more reasons to buy from you that are purely beneficial to them. But, by the fact they continue to give you their business, it will impact your business postively for the future.

 

Paul

April 24, 2012
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Thanks again Paul for the valuable input.

This is a more general query I thought I'd add onto this thread. I have strung both my (identical) rackets to the same tension and they have both settled into the same tension after a couple of hours playing with each racket.

The issue I have is that the strings on one racket seem to slip out of place quite easily, causing me to have to check my racket every few rallies, whereas my other racket doesn't.

Given that the tension seems to be identical in both rackets is anyone aware of what the cause of this may be? Or is it potentially just in my head and I'm seeing an issue where there isn't one?

Thanks in advance.

 

(String is identical too, apart from the colour so I know which is which. BG65 Ti on a Nanospeed 4500 @ 22lbs)

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Rob

 

Sometimes a different colour of string has a completely different feel. I saw this a year or so ago when players I know were testing Victor VS850 string. There was a marked difference between the blue and white and split between who preferred what.

 

Perhaps there is something in the dye that causes the string to respond differently. But overall coloured strings can act very different to the original white. Personally I prefer the white strings and if I had to do a test I would stencil the racquet in a different colour.

 

Good to hear from you Rob. I hope your stringing services will soon be in great demand.

 

Paul

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