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March 17, 2013
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I've shortlisted:

VT 80

ARC 11 (which is more or less an ARC 10)

ARC 8DX

ARC ZS

 

I managed to borrow a VT80 the other day – I really liked it, though I wish the head could be slightly faster.

At the price I need to consider the other rackets though – hence the Arcsabers. As my stint with the VT80 is the first time I've even held a high-end racket, any all all suggestions/considerations are extremely welcome!

March 17, 2013
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Hi, welcome to the forum.

I'm not really sure what question you are asking, do you want advice on those rackets, or general advice? The 4 you have listed are all top end rackets, it's just down to personal taste.

What standard do you play at? Doubles? Singles?

You could add a Nanoray to that list just so you have the full spectrum. Essentially you need to decide what you want from a racket and go from there. I want smashing power, so I have a VT7, it was a little slow in defense to start with but I worked on my technique and wrist power to compensate for that. This could be the solution to you wanting a faster head on the VT80, have you tried Paul's armchair exercises?

Obviously it's your money, but it's worth remembering that generally the best value rackets are in the mid range. I could get two of my racket for the price of one of the ones you mention, and for league play a spare is very useful Smile

 

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March 17, 2013
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Hi Rob!

 

I play a pretty even mix of doubles and singles. Standard is quite difficult to say – I can comfortably smash to around the service line from the inner tramline, but haven't got a consistent jump-smash. My reactions are also fairly good. Backhand clears are my weakest shot. Right now, I'm miles from league play.

 

As a tennis player(with full-western grip), I'd say my wrists are pretty strong already. The VT80 wasn't slow at all – I just wasn't able to move it quite as fast as I'd like.

 

One thing I'm concerned about is durability. As you said, these things are expensive and so have to last. I've heard a fair few reports of the ZS breaking easily – how true is this?

I prefer a durable top-end item to the better value mid-range one. If the product won't break, I doubt there would be enough changes in tech to make buying another racket worth it (at least for a few years).

 

I'm hoping to demo these rackets sometime in the next few months, though I'd only have a limited time (2 hours max). Is there anything I should look out for? Is it better to demo with someone better than/worse than/just as good as me?

March 19, 2013
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Interesting question about durability of top-end rackets. From my experience, the only reason a racket breaks is through a collision. Whether a crack forms or the head folds is down to the force applied on the frame. If two rackets collide whilst in the same line of shot, e.g. low defence down the centre, there is potential for little damage. However, if one racket is colliding on a different line and at greater speed then anything can happen.

 

Generally the top-end rackets are made from slightly stronger and higher quality materials. But that would not preclude them from breaking under conditions mentioned above.

 

Overall, I believe the best value for money rackets tend to sit in the mid price range and if players set their ego aside and stopped believing the marketing hype, then they would probably find these rackets excellent. There are many that think the more expensive the racket, the better it is. Sadly this can be a myth because the best racket is the one that suits you best, whether it costs £20 or £200.

 

As I usually say, it's best to invest in coaching first before spending a lot of money on a new racket. Only coaching will give you a long term return on your investment, whereas a new racket may slightly improve your game but in a year or so you'll be looking for your next purchase.

 

Paul 

March 19, 2013
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I would say in terms of a partner for a demo session get someone good enough to feed you all the shots you want to try. You're not testing your game, just the rackets, so you need to have the shuttle put in the places you need to hit your shots.

Make sure you have a good selection of rackets to demo and try to leave any preconceptions at the door. It doesn't matter what you think will be the best racket, or what someone tells you, or how much it costs, it's just what feels right for you.

Let us know how you get on.

Rob

March 19, 2013
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While the best value for money is always mid-range, for something I would use as often as a racket I'd be willing to pay more for the top-end. Like my tennis racket (and shoes) they may cost more, but I'd still buy them over a mid-range item.

 

While I would like coaching, my play time is limited to my school's games program (thrice a week, 1.5 hours after which I stay on for at least 30 mins). Less than I'd like, but there's little I can do about it. It's in the middle of nowhere too, so no coaches round here.

 

The company I'm demoing off gets their Arcsaber 11 stock at the beginning of April, so I'll have to wait till all 4 rackets are simulataneously available before a trial… it could take weeks.

 

Paul – I saw you say somewhere (can't remember where) that Direct Sports has a demo program. I rang, they said it's been shut down recently. Unfortunate, but I didn't know if you knew yet.

 

When (if) I get the rackets I'll be sure to post and give my impressions!

March 20, 2013
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I am aware Direct Sports do not offer a demo service these days – the cost of post and administration made this difficult.

 

I have already tested Arcsaber 11 and will be writing my review this week.

 

Thanks to Rob for his usual spot on comments!

 

Paul

April 13, 2013
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Finally got hold of the rackets!

 

Z-Slash: Unbelievably easy to maneuver. I didn't have any of the mistiming issues may have mentioned, but it was certainly unnerving to play with. When moving it there is very little resistance, so I really had to trust my judgement on where the head actually was. Smashes were unbelievably quick, but all shots had very little feedback.

 

Voltric 80: Other end of the scale. While the power was nice, my comment on the head being slower than I'd like still stands. Compared to the others it was harder to move. My partner used it while I was testing the arcsabers and managed to break a string, but I don't think I'd have picked this anyway.

 

Arcsaber 11: It may just be that this is a brand new racket I'm testing, but all my shots felt very crisp, with just enough power behind them. Solid and reliable – smashes were still fast, though not quite like the 80 or ZS. In terms of movement it's faster than the VT80 but slower than the 8DX.

 

Arcsaber 8DX – Turns out this has been discontinued by Yonex. Not sure why as it is a cracker of a racket, with a really nice balance. It was like the ZS in that it was fairly easy to move, but closer to the 11 in terms of feel – not quite as much, but at least a bit (could just be old strings though).

 

So overall I'm not really sure which arcsaber to go for. Which leaves me with some pretty open questions about strings (I can't demo these and have no experience here, so any help is appreciated):

I was thinking of getting whichever racket I choose strung at 24lbs with Nanogy99. 

 

ZS – when swinging this around I barely even know this racket exists – or even that it's hit the shuttle. The current string is a BG80 (not BG80P) and feel pretty loose. How much difference would a higher tension NGY99 make? 

 

8DX – BG65Ti, fairly good string tension, but a bit less than the brand-new Arc11. If the different strings could make this as crisp as the Arc11, this would be quite nice. It has a similar swingweight to my current racket, so naturally feels more “right” than the other two.

 

Arc11 – BG65Ti, I'm the first person to demo this so this racket has high string tension (24lbs maybe?). It's very crisp which I really like; clears feel good and drops are heavenly. A tad slower than the 8DX.

 

tl;dr: My problem here is choice. For smashing and quick shots the ZS is king. The Arc11 wins on feel. The 8DX sits in between, like a more even-balance Arc11 but worse control. Could different strings/tensions/both improve any of these things, and is there anything else to look for next time I go demo them?

 

Edit: It seems I found the ZS easy enough to time because my current racket is even weirder – on comparison with the ZS my racket's handle is 3cm shorter, and the overall racket is shorter by 1cm. The head also starts 2cm lower than the ZS (for reference, its a £30 Browning Nanotec80 CTI).

April 14, 2013
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This happens a lot, when you would dearly like the best bits of difference rackets.

 

The way to look at this is simple. Which racket provides overall best results for the style of play/game you prefer to play? If you are very aggressive then which racket is best to help you play aggressively and maintain it?

 

List the racket in order of preference to achieve this.

 

Then, list the racket in order of preference based on their impact on the weakest elements of your game.

 

Potentially, the racket you choose would then be based on your decision with regard to what you wish to maximise versus minimise.

 

I hope this makes sense?

 

Paul

April 14, 2013
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Great feedback there, thanks for taking the time to post, it's great to hear other people opinions on these rackets.

Was the Arc11 you used factory strung? If so, I would suggest it's no where near 24lbs, more likely a max of 20lbs. Be careful going into high tensions if you don't normally use them as you could injure yourself.

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