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Skill v Power
June 1, 2013
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Dobbie98
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Enjoy reading people’s thoughts, now moving this along – which shot do you win most points with? Then is this a power shot or a skill shot?

June 2, 2013
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Depends what you count as a winning shot. The shot that puts the shuttle on the floor is power, or at least a kill. The shot that sets that shot up could be either or a mixture of both. A well placed smash causing a weak return is often a good way to win a point, if you can hit that well placed smash hard, then all the better.

Good ideas Paul in terms of dealing with retrievers, I know some players I will try that out on.

Unfortunately the players I had in mind when talking about speed also have the racket skills and fitness to back that speed up. I guess that's why they play county and I don't. Cool

June 2, 2013
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Dobbie asks a good question here. In some respects the answer is not that obvious as it depends who creates the opening. In essence is the winning shot the one that wins the actual point or the one that created it from nothing?

 

What happens if you play a tight net shot and your opponent is unable to return it over the net? This is then deemed a winning shot. Or the little block at the net when opponents were defending on their heels leaving the gap at the front of the court? Both are winners without power.

 

Indeed the well-placed half smash or drop shot could also be an outright winner. You see not enough players think about creating the opening. The question itself can be interpreted almost to want to grant greater importance to the power game.

 

One of the greatest doubles players of the modern era was Lars Paaske from Denmark. He didn't have a decent smash but tactically and technically he was so good at creating openings for his partner. To me, this clever player mastered the art of changing pace and clever placement and created so many opportunites for Rasmussen to finish off the rally, or the opponents were unable to return the shuttle in court.

 

This level of technical brilliance is sadly missed because players to do understand the winners he created. And, this all began by mastering serve and return of serve.

 

We'll all agree that the smash, when played correctly finishes a lot of points by either being unreturnable or the opponents cannot retrieve it with control. But, this type of smash is rarely a concern for any decent player when they hit a good length. And that brings me back to my earlier comment about Paaske. In essence he owned the net and created that many weak lifts for his partner to finish.

 

I could continue but lets leave some space for more comments…

 

Paul

June 3, 2013
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Firstly, I think “finesse” would be a better word than skill – since power is mainly the result of skill.

Either way, I'm picking power. It might not win you the most games, but so what? 5 minutes after the game finishes, I'm not going to remember who won (half the time I don't even remember the score during a game). On the other hand, smashing really hard at people is fun. Occasionally, I'll play against someone who never allows me to smash, because they never lift (even when they're in trouble and should lift) – regardless of the outcome, it's always going to be a horribly tedious and unenjoyable game.

And as far as winning points goes, none of these finesse shots work unless there is at least the threat of power. For example, if I know someone can't smash particularly hard, I can just wait further forward, and that completely nullifies the danger from any finesse shot they might play.

June 3, 2013
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Although it's refreshing to hear that at least one person in this post advocates power, it's also a little bit of a sadness that you can't enjoy a game without a big fix of smashes. To dismiss any opposition that rarely lifts to you as tedious says as much about your game as theirs. Maybe if you had a bit more “finesse” it would encourage them to lift more. Or maybe you just intended your post to be a bit provocative.

June 3, 2013
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I actually somewhat share Sketchy’s sentiment in that I also become a bit frustrated when neither me or my double’s partner can land a good smash.  Although I guess my reason is more because I’m the front court leaning player, and not having a good smash usually means I’m not doing enough to create a chance for my partner. 

That being said, I do side on skills, since that’s how you create the chance to use your power.

June 4, 2013
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I couldn't let this conversation go without giving some input! I love these kinds of discussions.

 

Skill is the winner, on every occasion. I will point you towards some more truly great doubles players:

Rexy Mainaky

Park Joo Bong

Kim Dong Moon

Cai Yun

Tony Gunawan

Lee Yong Dae

Now then, some will say that Park, Kim, LYD etc were powerful. Yes they were. But they were not Fu Haifeng. They were, in a similar way to Lars Paaske, simply extraordinary front court players. If any of them intercepted the shuttle at the net, the rally is more or less over. And not through pace. Simply through placement – you will not be able to get the shuttle past them again – end of rally. This is purely quick hands and feet. Not power.

However, what if a player is not “powerful”. Should they stop smashing? Absolutely not. Remember that, no matter how good your drops and slices and stick smashes and stop drops, if you don't ever smash, your opponent will simply move up the court. The VARIATION is what is important – not the sheer power of the smash. Interestingly, for those who really do not want to smash and are struggling because opponents are moving further forwards in the court, make use of your punch clears!!! That will stop them coming forwards.

What shots are my most common “winners”? I hit a lot of smash winners. I hit a lot of (punch) clear winners (that people take late and cannot get over the net). I hit a lot of netkill winners – usually resulting from having gone “over the top” of my opponent – either with punch clears or well timed lifts in flat driving rallies. Safe to say however, that I set up many more winners because of my attacking clear, than because of any other shot – of course, the clear is only effective because of the variations overhead – the smash, sliced drops and stop drops. This applies in level doubles or mixed doubles.

June 4, 2013
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Whilst I do think skill is the more important factor I do agree with Sketchy in that hitting hard is great fun. Nothing better than hitting a big winner, and if you can dent the floor while you're at it, why not! Laugh

 

On a serious note I can get a bit stuck playing people who just tap it round the mid court and don't give me anything to smash or any pace to work with, especially in mixed doubles. Hopefully Paul might have some ideas on his coaching weekend for playing out of the mid court and dealing with situations where you have to make the running yourself. Wink

June 4, 2013
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Yep, skill does it. I sometimes play a guy in our club who has a massive smash. I don't have that power, and I don't win from him easily, but our head to head is in my favor. And indeed, a few players are famous for their skill, not their power. TBH, FH, and others, they all have a massive smash, but are accompanied by a technical good player. Both teams win a lot of points with the hard hitter at the back. The skilled ones usually have this easy kind of play style. Look at Setiawan/Ahsan. Both are very skilled, have a massive smash, and yet seem to walk around the court. Skill does it, no question about it.

Cheers, ED

June 5, 2013
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Nobody can deny the thrill of hitting a winning smash – it's infectious. However, unless you have the genetics and technique then a good length will render your smash good and nothing better.

 

Rob, yes we are covering a lot of mid-court skills in September. Having completed the initial planning stages yesterday with one of my assistant coaches, I can confirm that this course will test you to the limit!

 

Paul

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