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1:15 pm
September 20, 2012
Hello everybody,
I live in the UK and have been playing badminton competitively since my teens. Mostly mens doubles with an aggressive game that's largely been based around speed and power. I play (with feathers) at one of the better local clubs and usually play matches in one of the top two divisions of the local league.
However, I'm now in my mid-40s and age is starting to take its toll! Inevitably this means that I'm slowing down. Where once I would have toe'd the service line for receipt of serve, now half a step back makes me less vulnerable to a good flick serve because I'm less likely to get back in time to get my weight properly behind a smash.
And that's essentially my question. I've read plenty of posts extolling the importance of footwork and couldn't agree more, but the reality is that I'm now more likely to be caught playing a shot slightly out of position. Given this, should I be thinking about using a more flexible racket?
I'm currently using an Arcsaber 10 and prior to that I had a Ti10 which is now my second racket. Going back to the Ti10 I find it quite unforgiving – good for shots when you have the time to “wind up” such as smashes and forehand and backhand clears, but when more rushed I struggle to generate power. The Arcsaber is better and when playing well, I'm pretty happy with it, but on an “off-night” I don't get the power that I know the racket is capable of.
It's also getting pretty battered, so I'm looking to replace it. Reviews suggest that in the Yonex line-up I should probably be looking at the Voltric 70 or 80. I'm probably towards the opposite end of the spectrum to “small and neat” so I don't have a particularly fast swing. So head-heavy with decent manoeuvrability sounds fine. In the past I would have just bought the Voltric 80 for the power – what's not to like? However given the above and the fact that I now have to be more economical with my smashing, I am wondering if the Voltric 70 would not be a better option on the assumption that it would provide a similar increase in usability to the move from the Ti10 to the Arcsaber 10.
Or is the Voltric 80 a sufficient step forwards from the Arcsaber 10 that I would not have to work so hard to generate the power when needed and I can delay the inevitable for a few more years?
5:14 pm
September 20, 2012
That's fair comment. I usually string around 22/23lbs which is on the tight side for me, but fine once the tension has dropped a bit.
Having made the mistake of reading too many badminton racket reviews I'm probably more confused than when I started! I think my question boils down to the following. Which rackets have a similar balance to an Arcsaber 10 but add some flexility/useability, ideally without compromising too much on power? I'd like something a bit less fatiguing to play with but would prefer to keep some head-heaviness – I don't really get on with head-light rackets.
My impression is that there are a number of highly rated but very stiff rackets around which are probably best for pure power, but are less tolerant of timing being slightly out or a tiring arm.
I'm assuming rackets like the VT70 and Victor MX60 are fall into the general category that I should be considering. Unfortunately, demo-ing is not really an option.
2:05 pm
February 15, 2011
Daniel
I seem to be answering this question on email and in the forum.
VT70, VT7, MX60 or Bravesword LYD all fit the bill.
I hope the contributors of this post have read my article on choosing a racket. It really makes you think about the reasons behind your choices.
Having tested and reviewed all of the above rackets (my review for BS LYD is not completed) I do feel there are excellent options for players. It is an interesting point that mid price rackets in general offer the overall best value for money. Having tested so many rackets i do find myself questioning the value of a £140 + racket compared to a £70 racket. And, most of the time the £70 racket wins in terms what it delivers for the price.
It is very easy to be caught in the marketing hype. The bottom line here is that you are not going to gain excessive power through one particular racket. For this to happen you need to improve footwork, overhead technique and somehow find a way to increase the percentage of fast twitch muscle fibre in your body by a significant margin.
As you may have noticed, i have cut down on the racket reviews posted on my blog. I felt it was becoming a racket review blog and that's never been the intention. I have around 15 reviews from tests done earlier this year that will not make it to print because I haven't the time. I will still review some rackets but at the moment a good rest and some time to plan my next batch of articles is needed.
Paul
3:42 pm
September 20, 2012
I took the plunge and purchased a Victor MX60, so I thought I'd provide some feedback on how it compares to the Arcsaber 10. Bear in mind that my rationale for switching was that I wanted a more forgiving racket and felt that the Arc 10 was on the stiff side (although less so than my previous Ti10) and hopefully less head weight should also make the racket less tiring to use.
The big difference that I noticed was an improvement in manoeuvrability. By contrast, returns of smashes or reacting to driven serves felt noticeably more physical with the Arc10. So defence was improved but without any obvious sacrifice in terms of power. Lifted returns to smashes got good length and there was plenty of pace when driving back flat smashes. If anything the additional “whip” in the racket seemed to help in both cases.
Similarly, the racket felt more forgiving of shots that were not perfectly timed. I was surprised by the good distance on a couple of backhand clears made under pressure. It's inevitably subjective in such circumstances but I would describe the MX60 as having a larger, fuzzier sweet spot than the Arc 10. This was noticeable when warming up. With the Arc 10 if you time it well, you can clear from one end of the court to the other using little more than your wrist. By contrast the MX60 felt that it needed a more complete shot. When smashing the Arc 10 feels more “direct” – there is a greater perception of precision in terms of the shuttle's vertical trajectory.
I also felt that the Arc10 had better touch round the net, but this was probably as much down to familiarity and stringing as anything else. I had no issues with my short serve when switching rackets.
While I think that there are trade-offs, the virtues of the Arc10 largely come to the fore when you get the timing just right. Given that footwork is a major part of that and the combination of age and ankle injuries mean that positioning and therefore timing is often not ideal, then the MX60 is a more forgiving racket. In fact I would describe it as pretty viceless. I did not feel that my smashing was down on power, if anything the reverse when timing was slightly off. The racket has good feel – a forehand lift from the net to the backhand corner feels accurate and well-controlled. Any marginal loss in precision that I alluded to above is really only noticeable when you are hitting with full power. In other circumstances I think that the power of the MX60 is more accessible. There is sufficient head weight that I never felt that I was being asked to adapt to a very different racket, but the MX60 is less tiring to use. I was still smashing fairly comfortably towards the end of a match whereas with the Arc 10 I was definitely opting to drop much more frequently.
Inevitably impressions can be coloured by playing in a different hall, with different shuttles and different strings (with a bit more tension), but for me the clearest difference between the two rackets is in defence. I mostly play men's doubles and found the medium flex and less head-heavy balance of the MX60 definitely made life easier. It is quicker, less physical and when you need to add power to the shot, it is more accessible.
So I guess you can chalk up another endorsement for the MX60 as a very good all round racket, especially for doubles. The racket is still pretty hard to track down in the UK. I bought mine from http://www.badmintonbase.co.uk who were very responsive and allowed me to specify string tension.
4:10 pm
February 15, 2011
4:27 pm
February 15, 2011
Daniel
No offence taken so no need to apologise.
As I see it there are a numbers of retailers of Victor rackets in UK. However, only Central Sports are allowed to sell online – a stupid arrangement agreed by the former head of Victor UK to a business I do not recommend.
This means I only know of BadmintonBase and BWS Sports who sell Victor equipment. BWS Sports is the only retailer I know who has demo models for players to try and they carry a high percentage of the range.
Paul
7:25 am
December 27, 2012
“I seem to be answering this question on email and in the forum.
VT70, VT7, MX60 or Bravesword LYD all fit the bill.
I hope the contributors of this post have read my article on choosing a racket. It really makes you think about the reasons behind your choices.
Having tested and reviewed all of the above rackets (my review for BS LYD is not completed) I do feel there are excellent options for players. It is an interesting point that mid price rackets in general offer the overall best value for money. Having tested so many rackets i do find myself questioning the value of a £140 + racket compared to a £70 racket. And, most of the time the £70 racket wins in terms what it delivers for the price.
It is very easy to be caught in the marketing hype. The bottom line here is that you are not going to gain excessive power through one particular racket. For this to happen you need to improve footwork, overhead technique and somehow find a way to increase the percentage of fast twitch muscle fibre in your body by a significant margin.
As you may have noticed, i have cut down on the racket reviews posted on my blog. I felt it was becoming a racket review blog and that’s never been the intention. I have around 15 reviews from tests done earlier this year that will not make it to print because I haven’t the time. I will still review some rackets but at the moment a good rest and some time to plan my next batch of articles is needed.”
Hi Paul,
I have noticed that you have made the comment above about regarding racket reviews in the blog on numerous occasions and I wanted to comment on this. I understand that the main purpose of the blog is not to review rackets only but I don’t think this only needs to be seen in a negative light. The reason you are answering so many questions about racket choice and reviews regarding specific rackets is that people trust you, your judgement and advice!! As you said above, when choosing a racket it is easy to get caught in the hype and many in the badminton community end up wasting money on the latest racket released. For many, especially new players who dont know what type of racket is best for them, it is difficult to trust the shop sellers so getting objective advice from a qualified coach like yourself is amazingly helpful. Your articles, personal responses and forums are such a service to the badminton community, so please keep it up but in the way you feel best!
Thanks,
Graham
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