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7:37 pm
March 22, 2012
Hi I am new to the forum.
I have been playing for over 2 years, and the last 6 months I have been playing for 6-8 hours per week including 1 hour per week coaching.I play with a mixture of people from beginners to league players.
After watching the All England Championships I have now seen what is possible on a court!
I have also discovered I have been playing with a fake Arcsaber 10!
I asked my coach to bring me some rackets to try, here are the results;
- Li Ning N50 – didn't feel any different from my fake Arc10
- Li Ning N33 – felt worse than the N50
- Arcsaber Z Slash – hit one amazing smash, stuggled to replicate
- Voltric 70 – felt very good, was hitting very clean
I can get the Voltric 70 for £140 or ex demo for £80, the ArcZS is £150 or £100 ex demo. I could also get a Voltric 80 for £160 but I cannot get a demo of this racket.
I know the coach personally and he does look after the demo rackets, I am going to have another go before I buy, but I am very tempted by the ex demo VT70. Maybe I could even do a deal for both VT70 and ArcZS and use them for a few months to see which I prefer?
How do people find their racket? Is it simply trial and error?
11:32 pm
June 15, 2010
I had similar experiences (drawn out over 6 months) as you with the z-slash, i just never got the hang of it. I kept it and alternated between it and a Musclepower 100, which only screwed me up more. Finally sold it and bought a VT70 which has ended being the best match for me.
Reading your post I think you pretty much answered which racket would do you well, of those choices. IMO it would be a bad choice to try and alternate play between a VT70 and Z Slash. They act completely different, and your timing will suffer.
Trial and error is the only way to find the right racket.
11:33 am
February 15, 2011
The only way of finding your best racquet is by trial and error.
The good news is that you like VT70 and seem to hit well with it. Who has an ex-demo for £80?
If you've read my article on choosing a racquet, you will know that you have to run through a series of questions before settling on your next racquet. You certainly need to understand your current favoured characteristics of a racquet. In time this may change if you continue to progress. But at least when you understand the characteristics that best suit you, it's certainly easier to narrow down which racquets to look at.
I'm looking forward to reading which racquet you eventually settle on.
Paul
9:57 pm
March 22, 2012
I have recently discovered that I have been playing with a fake Arc10, therefore difficult to quantify my current racket, it feels great around the net, but I can't get much power out of it.
The ex demo is from my coach.
I have seen the prices on a German website, the VT70 is £112 with BG66UM strings brand new, this makes a £80 ex demo look expensive, particulary if I wanted it restringing as it would be another £20 on top.
The VT80 is £121 and the VTZF is £132, so I need to decide if the VT80 or VTZF are suitable for me. If only I could afford every racket I wanted to try!
I wasn't aware the VT70 was 4U only either.
10:35 pm
February 15, 2011
There are a number of potential issues you may have from buying from a foreign website.
1) you have to pay import duty on the goods
2) you lose all warranties because Yonex UK will not replace a racquet that is not purchased in UK if you break it. By this I mean the frame breaks and it is not caused by a collision.
3) it's costly to return the racquet if it breaks
4) how reliable is the website? Are they selling fake racquets?
I'm not trying to put you off here but wish to point out a few truths.
I also saw your post on Badminton Central forum regards VT70 and VT80. I commend you for trying many places to get the information you crave. However, no amount of divided opinion, even if it's more biased to one particular racquet can be a substitute for playing with the racquet and getting a feel for its qualities.
Sadly your fake Arcsaber 10 will never play like a normal Arcsaber 10 so you cannot use that as a reference point when looking at a new racquet.
If your coach is Yonex sponsored then he shouldn't be selling his racquets as his contract prohibits it. If it's just a demo racquet, see if he will throw in a restring into the price. By the way, check the frame for marks and potential cracks. Do this in good light as you can see more.
You seem to have a fixation at the moment about these top racquets, as though they are going to transform your game. Be careful with this as it is dangerous. Some players buy a certain type of racquet because their favourite player uses the same racquet. Bad move. Pick what really suits your game.
If you are working with a coach, why not ask them to tell you more about racquets and see if they can get you a few more demo racquets to try. Coaches are generally in the know and stand more chance of borrowing racquets to help players like you make a choice.
I know this is tough right now and in some ways it may seem like we're not helping. However, we are by telling you the truth with the hope you'll discover what works for you. If it's the Voltric 70 then fine, but test a few more racquets before you make a final decision. I highly recommend VT5 or VT7 which cost less than VT70. I know players who have purchased these racquets and been delighted with them.
Paul
11:43 pm
March 22, 2012
I appreciate your input Paul, and most of your posts seem very balanced and probably based on more knowledge/experience then others.
I understand that a top racket will not make me a top player, and that LCW could beat me with a £5 racket!
I do really enjoy badminton, and compared to ice hockey, badminton is extremely cheap, so after discovering my racket is fake I want to try a genuine one.
My coach I believe acts as an agent for Withers Intersport in Leicester, from what I can gather they own the demo rackets, and are probably keen to get rid of the older models, as he spoke to someone to get prices for me.
My coach isn't really very helpful in recommending rackets for some reason, read into that what you will, hence me asking on all these forums!
Therefore I am basing my selections on a quick play with a VT70, and an older friend who has played for years saying 'badminton rackets are too headlight these days'.
Importing has its risks but there would be no duty to pay, and I could ship it back for warranty, but in my experience breaks are unusual from normal use (hitting a shuttle)
I am trying to get a demo of other rackets, but there is no demo VT80 available
9:52 am
February 15, 2011
Many thanks again for your comments.
Here's what I think you should do. See if your coach can get you demo racquets of VT5 and VT7. Test these alongside VT70 and see if you can tell the difference. This will then give you a feel for the racquets. Also see if he can bring a couple of Arcsaber racquets, perhaps Arcsaber 10 so you can compare to your existing fake racquet. Now you're building up some experience.
Also Arcsaber 10 is a lot stiffer shaft so you will be able to feel whether you get more from the stiffer shaft than medium flex.
As a general rule, most intermediate players benefit from playing with a flexible or medium flex racquet. Stiff racquets can be too hard to get any power. But, there are always exceptions and you could be one of those.
My guess is if you can't feel much or any difference between VT5, VT7 or VT70 then perhaps you're not ready to move up to VT80. I would then question spendinig so much on VT70 and it's probably better to buy either one or two of the model you choose, so you always have a spare.
I know a guy who's been on my courses at Lilleshall and has become a very good player. I got him demo models of the same racquets you mentioned and he ended up buying a couple of VT5's and absolutely loves them. I also saved him a fortune.
Paul
12:17 pm
March 22, 2012
Maybe I am letting my desire for a VT80 cloud my decision making.
I would say I am an intermediate player, I have been taking badminton more seriously since quitting football due to a bad knee injury last year.
I play at 4 clubs and have recently joined a league club, and although I am one of the weaker players, I don't look out of place there. The biggest improvements I have made are with my footwork, and my drop shot, my serve is my lethal weapon, but my smash is not huge. I also play exclusively with plastic shuttles.
I would probably suit a medium flex shaft based on the above. I do also weight train, and I am stronger than most people, however some of the best smashes I have faced have come from men with slight builds, so I doubt it translates across to the badminton court!
I will try a VT5 as you suggest, also can you offer any advise on weights, as I think the VT70 is a 4U only racket in the UK?
11:37 pm
February 15, 2011
Many thanks for the update.
There are so many reasons why one player can hit a shuttle so much harder than other. The big three are
1) technique
2) footwork
3) genetics
You can train all three however there is only a small amount you can do with the genetics section. What this relates to is the proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres compared to slow twitch muscle fibres you possess. I understand you can increase the number proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres in certain areas e.g. arms but you'd really need to see a specialist trainer and get more advice on this.
With trainers in mind, I hope you are following a program as you use the gym. If not see if you can get one which is more badminton specific as it may help you a little.
As you work with a coach, I expect they are already making strides to resolve your technique and footwork challenges. If so, you should be seeing better results in your smash.
Notice I didn't mention racquets in my big three. Personally, I would test string and string tension over a new racquet on the proviso I had a decent racquet to begin with. Sadly, a fake Yonex Arc 10 does not count.
For now, do a little testing and report back on your discovery so far.
Good luck
Paul
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