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July 4, 2013
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Matthew Seeley
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Rogerh – the concept of teaching beginners with a L1 qualification is an interesting one. However, my experience is that you do not actually need to know what it takes to play reasonable badminton to pass the qualification. The point of L1 is “how to coach” and not “what to coach”, and thus I wouldn't want L1 coaches near a group on their own, as they could be teaching the wrong material. Thus the focus of L1 would have to change.

 

I remember when I took my L2, there were some “coaches” who could not demonstrate or shadow correct technique. In my opinion, this is just not good enough for a L1 coach. I am not expecting them to be amazing players, but I do expect a reasonable slowed down shadow to be correct, at the very least.

There were also L1 coaches who flat out said things I thought were, frankly, wrong. As an example: “i don't believe in or teach the split step, just see where the shuttle is and move to it”. Now, would I ever let this L1 coach (one of the better ones in the group) near beginners who wanted to learn to play the best possible badminton? No. Don't believe in the split step?! Just move?! What are you talking about man?! Do you even know what the split step is? Madness.

When it came to the L2 course, there was little to no checking that I had done any assistant coaching with a L2 coach. The “what to coach” was brief, and not very comprehensive. The  most interesting part of the course was “unofficial” from an NLP expert that was leading the course. I will also add there were plenty of people attending the L2 course so they could put it on their CV, as they were personal fitness trainers or similar, and could charge extra money because of the additional qualification. Having said that, there were a few excellent coaches as well, and many looking to bring children to the sport.

 

One main thing I would like to see is most good league players being qualified and capable coaches – at least L1. If you went to Denmark, every top player is also a qualified coach. Most of them have to coach in their spare time to fund their badminton careers. This means that, for every top player that makes it at an international level, you will have hosts of regular, high quality coaches, all actively coaching in their clubs, who were all players of a very high standard. I would hazard a guess this does not happen in this country. Every single club would have access to at least one coach. How many clubs in this country can boast the same? How many clubs even feel they SHOULD be linked to a coach?

July 4, 2013
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Matthew

Good to see that we're on the same wavelength on L1. At the moment it's a bit of a nothing qualification and for would-be badminton coaches only a stepping stone. As I said in my post, if it's to be of any use for actually coaching badminton it certainly needs a radical change and/or extended training.

 

I don't know when you took your L2 but mine was recently. I found the overall standard of the learners very high indeed and we all agreed that the course was quite challenging. The tutors new their stuff and were very informative and supportive.

 

Interesting point regarding Denmark. I don't know anything regarding their set up but I would say  that they have more of a demand for coaching than we do, and that the coaches receive proper remuneration for their expertise.

 

I also take your point about club coaches.I've given up trying to help senior members at my club after being told ” I've been playing this game for 20 years and if you think I need advice from you forget it”. I coach the kids and new members who want to learn.

One member asked me for individual coaching and in 10 weeks went from being an embarrassment, her words, to very complementary comments on her improvement. When I see her play net shots that some of the older players can only dream about it reinforces my belief that everyone who plays badminton at any level can benefit from being coached.
Maybe some of the old school will give it a try. I'm not holding my breath.

 

I think Paul made the point that some players will spend a fortune on the latest racket but are completely dismissive when you tell them coaching will improve their game. Shame.       

July 4, 2013
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Matthew I enjoyed your last post. Especially the part about every top Danish player was a coach. Would love to see a coach in every club & time allocated on a club night for coaching.

July 4, 2013
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Roger, although I attend Paul’s courses I feel I need regular coaching to keep me sharp & stop me regressing to old bad habits.But trying to find a good one has been hard, as most coaches only want to teach kids.
It seems people only want to play, then moan when they are well beaten. Like the story of the young lady who took up coaching

July 5, 2013
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Hi Rogerh,

 

I took my L2 several years ago (3/4 – can't remember). I found the course quite simple because almost all the badminton “knowledge” of the course was information I knew from other online sources and forums (regarding grips, tactics, stroke production, movement patterns etc) and had known a long time prior to the course. The main challenge was that I had to demonstrate the footwork patterns to the group for about 1 hour 30 minutes whilst they counted the number of steps I took, the number of “movements” and the technical things like correct lunge form and whatever. Exhausting.

The information regarding LTAD was new, as was the information about joints and muscles etc. However, as I said, the most interesting part was the NLP stuff, which was just a bonus because we happened to have an expert in the group.

It sounds like new courses are putting participants through their paces, which is great to hear 🙂

 

Regarding Denmark – do they really have more of a demand for coaching than we do? How so? It is my opinion the culture regarding the sport is different, and so people want coaching and expect to see coaches at their clubs. I am surprised to hear that they are paid better in Denmark than in this country. I was not aware of this, I just assumed it was, again, part of the culture, that people need coaching to improve, and want to improve, so pay for coaching. I can't help but feel that, in this country, paying for and receiving coaching makes you a badminton enthusiast, and really serious in your game, as opposed to Denmark, where everyone does it!

 

It is a sad story you tell about club coaching. I did coaching at my old club, outside club sessions, for a regular group of 4-6 male players of varying standards (aspiring to play in higher teams for the club). After three or four weeks (one 2 hour session a week), they were all regularly beating players in the teams above them, and a couple of the men went from being in no team to beating the clubs best pairs. It was a stunning transformation! They really worked hard! However, these sessions eventually fizzled out because players were not proactive with booking courts and arranging sessions. Their standard of play quickly dipped back to where it had been. In my opinion, it takes months to improve technique and install new good habits. It is not a matter of weeks.

 

This is a good topic for discussion 🙂

July 7, 2013
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Let's remember that badminton is the national sport in Denmark and therefore more resources are available for coaching. Badminton is an equal to football so consider what badminton would look like if we had as many badminton teams, senior and junior, badminton coaches, badminton clubs, sponsorship, hero worship etc. Then we would see a strong national team, kids would want to emulate their heroes and their would be a different attitude towards coaching and training.

 

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July 8, 2013
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I took my L1 in 1997 and it was thorough if not too demanding. I am not sure but it seems that L1 has been downgraded now? I have considered starting coaching again and feel I ought to crack on to L2 but I can't afford £400!

 

I coached two private groups Saturdays and Sundays that included some league players, plus taught two nights at Adult Education centres. It's true to say that most players are not interested in repetition practices but playing games, no matter how interesting you make it. Even so, I did have what could be regarded as success in that some of my 'beginner' students went on to league play, and 'improvers' attained a decent backhand clear and drop and also an effective flick serve, all taught from scratch.

 

Having moved house last year I now happen to be in a badminton dead zone but am considering contacting schools to see if there's any interest. I did place an ad at the nearest sports centre and in a sports shop to gauge coaching interest, which amounted to zero.

 

Now having watched Wimbledon I feel that badminton prominence has not really increased much at all despite the recent Olympics so our sport will continue to be the poor cousin of tennis. To even begin to address this there has to be more media coverage, and in particular a TV presence. Someone mentioned that darts is on TV – then why not badminton? It would be interesting to see a breakdown of televised costs and whether governing bodies add financial support. What is behind the decision to televise darts? Activities like snooker and darts to me are not a sport but a pastime that have turned into tournaments.

 

With regard to coaching children, I have done so and it's critical getting the right balance. It has to be fun, of course, as does the warm-up, but in my experience few will practice for more than 5 minutes at a time. And today we are in an age where there is just so much more out there claiming their time and interest.

July 10, 2013
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Thought I would share this with you all, as it is food for thought. Please bare with me!

 

Last Sunday, we (my family) watched the Wimbledon final (tennis). My five year old son has never really watched tennis or had any interest in the sport but has been cheering Andy Murray (British player) all the way during Wimbledon (possibly encouraged by his parents!).

 

After we got home from watching the Wimbledon final (we watched it somewhere else), the first thing my son did was to go upstairs. He came straight back down holding my old tennis racket (which I had forgotten all about and was in his wardrobe), and asked me if he could have it. I couldn't say no and he now uses it with a shuttle (I don't have any tennis balls) whilst on the trampoline (please don't ask! Laugh)! He likes holding the racket like tennis players do whilst waiting for someone to serve.

 

Now, the whole point of sharing that story, is that to me, that proves the point about “having someone to follow” in said sport. If children are watching the Wimbledon final, how many of them think, I think I will have a go at tennis after seeing Murray end a 77 year wait for a British winner. The tennis figures will make interesting reading next year.

 

The last time we had anything like that in England for badminton was when Robertson and Emms were at their peak. I have to admit, that my first time to All England was to see them in action. I have been a few times since but haven't been in the last couple of years. There's just no pull for me, the thing that would make me want to go more, would be if there was someone to cheer on. There definitely needs to be more badminton readily available on TV, but this won't happen due to money and the risk of not drawing in a big enough “crowd”.

 

But this is what we need, someone for the kids to follow, they can't follow anyone if they don't know about it! 

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July 10, 2013
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When I used to coach Great Manchester Schools Badminton Squad, I used as many tools as I could to get the kids attention.

 

With under 8's i taught them doubles positioning by using Disney characters on a small metal badminton court (approx 2 ft x 1ft). The kids loved it and we had Mickey Mouse smashing the shuttle at Pluto etc …but it got the message across.

 

In our knocks up I brought in music and also we did 5 minutes playing silly shots e.g. through your legs, behind your back etc. Great fun and the kids all loved it.

 

Nowadays we seem to be lacking players in any volume which is a shame. But we are not just competing with sport, but all the other distractions the internet, TV and computer gaming can throw at the kids.

 

Peter, you are right that we are lifted when our players win. Sadly I'm not so sure when that's going to happen again. The Olympics gave the British public a huge lift however the sports that will benefit are those such as cycling, athletics, rowing. Badminton had so little coverage and a lot of that was negative. Being honest we had the weakest of chances. No disrespect but our singles players should not have gone as they were clearly not good enough. Adcock and Bankier had a chance but they blew it and didn't handle the pressure from the home crowd.

 

I would dearly like England to be great again, but unless there are radical changes or dramatic improvements in the players abilities and form I guess it's unlikely to happen in my lifetime. And I plan to be around for many more years…

 

Paul

July 12, 2013
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Hi All,

Having been (indirectly) responsible for this particular thread I would just like to say thank you. It has been a great discussion and there have been some excellent comments and observations.

Murray, it appears, has been good for UK tennis. But has it really made a difference? I doubt if we really have any significant talent in depth and, once he has gone, it may well be another 70 odd years before we see another British champion.

In view of that what chance have we of developing a world class badminton player/players? I think we need to be realistic – we have high opinions of our skills. Football is a classic example – our national game with people getting paid stupid sums of money for supposedly brilliant skills…yet come a major competition we can't even score from the penalty spot let alone from open play! A bit harsh but you get the idea…

I feel kind of sad that that we may never see another great British singles or doubles player(s) competing at the highest levels but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try – and that is I believe my original point – we seem to expect the right to be good rather than expect the right to work hard at being good – it is the X Factor generation; people with little or no talent expecting to be catapulted to instant stardom overnight for next to know effort.

Hope my Euro Millions numbers come up this week so I can sit on my backside and not have to work and strive for a living Wink

As Theodore Rooselvelt says (amongst many other great quips):

“It is only through labor and painful effort, by grim energy and resolute courage, that we move on to better things.”

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