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9:18 am
October 17, 2012
Hi,
I have a doubt about my clear/smash technique. It seems to me that there are 2 common methods how to clear/smash:
(1) the method as shown in Badminton England training series: . This is the video I used to watch when I started, and also very similar to the method coached by coach Lee http://www.youtube.com/user/co…..gbadminton, which I watch very often.
(2) the method as shown by Jimmy Lin in
Do you think/see these are the same? To me, (1) is slightly different than (2): the swing path is more in direction back-front, the racket faces the net most of the time during the hitting action, and the hitting point is the highest possible. The power comes from wrist, but also from shoulder and the swing. The wrist rotation is also more in the direction back-front.
Style (2) is very similar to (1), but there are some differences: the swing path is more complex, the racket faces the net only at the hitting point, and the hitting point is slightly lower (since the arm is not completely straight pointing upward at the hitting moment). The power comes more from the wrist in comparison to (1). The wrist rotation is also different, with its axis almost the same as the forearm.
My style is currently (1) since that how I learnt when I started, but I think it's not right yet. It's difficult to generate a hard smash, and when I do that a lot then I have pain in the shoulder, which probably means that I am using the wrong muscle.
What do you think about this?
Tony
12:34 pm
March 10, 2013
Hi Tony
If you are getting shoulder pain from overhead power shots your technique is defiantly wrong at some stage of the shots.
Because shot 1 is in your muscle memory it may be better to try and tweak that shot rather than change too much. Get a friend to video you and do a frame by frame or slowmo comparison with the Nathan Roberts example, it may well highlight something fundamentally wrong that can be easily fixed.
Hope this helps and let us all know how you get on.
Roger
1:41 pm
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August 12, 2010
Tony – it may surprise you to learn that both videos are coaching exactly the same thing, but with different learning points. The first video (badminton england) is very simple, focussing on preparation and the use of the body.
The second video, focuses on explaining how the forearm moves during an overhead hitting action. However, all the professionals in video 1 are actually DOING what is shown in video 2, you are just not noticing it because they are not calling as much attention to it. Thus, you should not view the two videos as teaching anything different, just the same thing with different focuses.
Here is another video that teaches exactly the same thing, but again has a different “look”:
And another video:
Whilst they may all look different, they are all teaching the same thing but in different ways. Personally, I don't much like any of these videos on the whole. They are all good at different things – body rotation, forearm movement, . My favourite is one from Peter Rasmussen (essentials of badminton technique – advertised on this site), as it is the most technically detailed, but difficult perhaps to implement. Its probably overly complicated for most players.
If I were going to tell you how to clear, I would tell you these things:
1. Use the correct grip (basic grip).
2. Prepare side on to the shuttle, with both elbows at the same level as your shoulders.
3. To start the stroke, sweep your racket elbow from pointing behind so that it start pointing slightly forwards (see any of the videos!!!). When you do this, keep your arm completely relaxed, and in reality, your racket will get “left behind” as your elbow moves forwards and you leave the racket roughly where it is.
4. Reach up high to take the shuttle early. You should still be fairly comfortable (not straining to reach the shuttle).
The whole sequence should be relaxed. Note: the sequence I described is shown in all those videos, and they all explain it in different ways (only video #2 does not place an emphasis on high contact, but it should). In reality, rather than thinking about strength, you should imagine that it is speed you want. Once you start moving your elbow forwards (point 3) then the rest of your arm should uncurl a bit like a whip (it starts curled up, but once you start it moving, it lashes out powerfully, but in a relaxed way).
Good luck!
8:52 am
October 17, 2012
Matthew,
thanks for your reply, very informative and helpful.
I think my clears are ok, I can hit from rear to rear without much effort. However when it comes to smash, I just find it difficult to smash hard and consistently.
I am not surprised to learn that (1) and (2) are the same; after all I asked since I am not sure whether they are. However, after watching the links you posted above, I still think that there is a subtle difference. My hitting style looks close to the 1st link you posted, and the difference I feel is that at the hitting moment, I focus on generating power by bending my wrist down.
Now I realize that in style (2), it looks like the power comes mainly from forearm rotation, the wrist bending is also there but much less, and its purpose is to support the forearm rotation.
It's a good idea to have someone take a video of my game for later analysis. I will give it a a try.
Tony
9:48 am
February 15, 2011
Tony
I suggest you have someone video you and send it to me or post it on the forum. We'll take a look. As it's the smash that worries you most, let's see you hit a few smashes and hopefully we'll fix it.
Please remember that power can be trained by the big hitting power results from genetics and good technique and not technique alone. Think about running. There are people built to run marathons and others 100m sprint. The sprinters are genetically more powerful compared to the marathon runners who are genetically built for endurance.
Paul
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