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10:38 pm
October 25, 2010
evening all,
just got back from another shocking performance in a match, we somehow managed to win 2 – 1 as a pair and the team won 5 – 4 overall, which I should be happy about, but coupled with my performance the opposition were really trying every trick in the book to win games.
blatent use of mind games and silly little tactics to put you off your game.
one pair were constantly calling it out when it was in,
one pair, always made you wait, if you were serving, no matter what you did, they always made you wait, which really throws my concentration. My serve is dire at the moment anyway due to nerves, and this didnt help
There were more, I wont list it all as I'm angry enough as it is
I know its my fualt allowing them to get to me, but it really annoyed me the tactics they resorted to, I see no need….
how do you guys combat these kind of things ?
8:40 am
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August 12, 2010
Term,
Firstly let me say I am sorry that you had to experience this. You must remember though, that if it is NOT in your opponents nature to behave the way they did – i.e. they don't normally do it – then they were doing it because you were too strong for them in your badminton skillset, and they were desperately searching for an answer to your superior play! well done for coming through that test.
Unfortunately, there is little you can do to combat your opponents tactics without an umpire.
It is within their right to call where a shuttle lands exactly as they see it, and I have known plenty of players who GENUINELY saw the shuttle land a FOOT different to where it did – and I am talking about where a clear landed in several occasions – hardly a power shot. This may be down to one of a few reasons – they genuinely saw the shuttle as out. If their judgement is not the best/eyesight is not the best, then there is not a lot you can do about this. They may be unsure as to whether it was in or out. In this situation, most players go with their gut instinct on whether it was in or out. You can dispute calls that are extremely close, or where you got a clear sight of where the shuttle landed. As a player, there are SOME occasions where I genuinely did not see where it landed. I will announce this to the entire court, and usually let my opponent decide, after hearing the advice of my partner. Sometimes I will ask for a let. However, in general, if it is too close for me to call easily, it was in. Of course, some calls are much more obvious than others, despite their speed and trajectory. Another reason for your opponent calling the shuttle out, is that they desperately want to upset you. This IS cheating in my opinion. I remember one match, where my friend played an exceptional deceptive cross court net shot, totally beating his opponent outright. It landed 6 inches inside the line, and everyone saw it. He called it out, on the grounds that the player who hit the shot “wasn't skilled enough to play that shot” so it must have been out. Disgraceful. After a formal complaint, that cheating player is not allowed to play league matches anymore. Good riddance.
As regard to the serving, I am afraid this is purely a case of mental strength. The rules state that “the umpire shall be the sole judge of a delay in play”, and so you can do little about this – there is no acceptable time limit such as a certain number of seconds. I recommend taking your time, don't step up to serve until your opponent is nearly ready, use the time to talk tactics with your partner. You must play to the reasonable pace of the receiver, so resist the urge to be annoyed by this. I am sure that Paul would agree, that the serve is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT SHOT in a game of doubles (and in general, actually!). There is more pressure in a game of level doubles – particularly mens doubles – than in any other form of the game. I recommend coming up with a routine that gets you serving well every time. I personally teach people who are struggling with their serve, to say in their mind “one, two, good serve”. On one, they prepare the racket, on two, they prepare the shuttle by placing it on the strings of the racket, and on “three” they serve. The reason I replace “three” with “good serve”, is that “good serve” is associated with the image of the flight of a good serve in your mind i.e. when you imagine a good serve, you imagine a good low serve, travelling very low over the net, and landing an inch or two beyond the far line. Because you are thinking about this low serve, your brain will try to reproduce what it looks like, so saying “good serve” to yourself, will enforce the good quality of the serve you ACTUALLY play. If your serve is inconsistent when not under pressure – there is only one solution – practice practice practice. It took me 2 months to build my low doubles serve. Under game pressure, it holds up extremely well. But I KNOW that it could be better, and I should practice more too 🙂 If you are struggling for consistency in the serve, make the whole thing smaller and more compact – then less can go wrong!
At the end of the day, your opponents may be trying to put you off because they want to win. The best thing you can do, is practise readying your mind to play good badminton against any opponent. Whatever they do, and although it is annoying, you are determined to come out and play excellent and simple but effective badminton. They may use gamesmanship, but you will train yourself to play a tactical sound game, that you execute with precision. Gamesmanship does not, in my opinion, have any place on a badminton court, because it acknowledges a fear of ones opponent and a lack of respect for all the players, including oneself, on court.
I hope some of my advice can be of benefit.
Cheers
Matt
7:54 pm
October 25, 2010
some interesting points Matt,
I think ultimately whilst its perhaps not totally fair that they use these kinds of techniques, the first thing I should try and do is work out ways of not letting it effect me,
I've a match later this week against some of thier members again, I'll see how I handle it this time round 🙂
5:10 pm
February 15, 2011
It's a sad day in badminton when your opponents cheat.
Here's what i would do.
1) take a shotgun….(erm delete that)
1) Query the call every time. Once you've queried a few, then the next time the shuttle is easily in and called out I wouldn't accept the call and see what they do.
2) Request line judges if the pair continue to cheat.
3) Ah, the use of mobile phone technology. Get a team mate to video the line for a while. Make sure you instruct your team mate so others can hear what you're asking (mind games). The thought of a player catching them cheating on video may persuade your opponent to change tack.
4) With regard to delays, it's a tough one. I've seen this done at the highest level, including last years All England Champions and finalists. Matt is right here. Focus on delivering a superb serve every time. This way the tactic will soon be forgotten because it has no effect. If it gets worse, just remind the opponents that play must be continuous and that unnecessary delays on court can be construed as cheating.
If all else fails, what I suggest you do is decide which player has cheated the most and target them. Then, at every opportunity, batter the hell out of the shuttle, aiming for that opponent, to show them that you'll win fair and square.
Cheating has no place in any sport.
Paul
10:26 pm
March 2, 2010
Tough one, never really hard encountered this “level” of playing. Of course a number of times where I gave myself the benefit of the doubt, while my oponent called it out. Sad, really sad. But don't bother too much, people like these will some day meet opposition that doesn't take this politely like you did. So, this is actually a pro for you.
The “one-two-good serve” tip from Matt I've done lots of times. Just try it and be amased how many players you get out of concentration just by waiting one single second longer to serve than you did throughout the match. Players having a bad or irregular serve are ussualy fast servers. They step into possition and bam, there the shuttle goes. I tend to give them the advice not to do that, but take their time to get into a stable position, aim with the eyes and serve. But this is not what was ment in the post. I hate people waiting and walking arround just to have a rest or pause the game. Cannot appreciate that either.
Maybe if I would face cheating opposition like this, take a good deep look into their eyes when they make the call, or go and have a look. If this doesn't help, it is not in my nature, but now Paul mentioned it, maybe I would start smashing at the body. But sport is still sport, and should be kept that way, IMHO. All the best at the upcomming match !
Cheers ED
10:36 pm
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August 12, 2010
Just to follow on from what Paul said… my partner and I sometimes feel the need for a little target practice. Target the cheater, and pick a target e.g. right hip/chest/foot etc… then you both keep going at him, aiming for the target, until you have both hit the target. Then, move on to the next area of the body… It can be a very rewarding game…
10:54 pm
February 15, 2011
Ed
Remember that it's a sound tactic to play on the weaker player. The fact that you may instill a little extra venom into your shots is not a bad thing. It's not un-sporting to do so and it's still playing within the rules.
Ed, I don't advocate bad behaviour. What I'm saying here is that there is a way to get even without lowering yourself to copying the cheater.
In some respects this is no different than designing any other tactic to cause problems for your opposition, resulting in you winning the game.
Matthew, I like your thinking. Target practice is good, in whatever game you're in.
By the way Matthew, you're getting close to the magic 100 posts! I'll congratulate you now in case I miss the next few days with my current workload!
Paul
8:21 pm
April 4, 2010
Hi guys,
I really feel sorry for you, Term. Playing Badminton must be a pleasure even in a tournament or a competition, sportmanschip must prevail.
Like Paul, I used to think that a shotgun would have done the job nicely or maybe an AK-47 but that's not a goooooooood idea No seriously, those kind of players must be banned.
According to you, is my way of doing things for the service can be considered as cheating ?
If I'm serving : When the guy is moving everywhere and doesn't want to get ready to return the serve, I won't stay in my “service stance” and wait for him for decades. I wouldn't try to serve when he's not ready but I would rather take my time to focus again and serve. That can mean that the game will be delay a little bit due to that but I wasn't the one who wanted it to be that way.
If he's serving : well, that's a little tricky. I would first observe what's the guy is doing i.e. chatting with his partner about tactics which can take some time,… and then, when he's comig back for serving, I would raise my hand to signify to him that I'm not ready. I know that a lot of Chinese players tend to do that and I can't agree with it but well, do I really have the choice while playing myself?
For the calls, normally, during the tournament, we are all allowed to ask for a referee/umpire/line judge if he or she is available at the time. And I would prefer that than trying to argue with the other players. First because I would lose my focus on the game. Second because people will think you're the bad guy (“yeah that already happened”). Third, people around the court can't be trusted whether they are your friends or not. Last but ot least, the referee/umpire/judge is supposed to be objective.
Jonathan
9:55 pm
VIP Coaching Program Members
August 12, 2010
Jonathan,
Only stepping up to serve when your opponent feels ready, is perfectly acceptable. If they are not ready to receive your service, because they are talking to their partner or something similar, then just wait until everyone settles down, and step up to serve. It sounds like this is the way you work, and I think that is perfectly fine. However, if your opponent takes an unnecessarily long time to get ready, then there can be problems – are they deliberately doing it?
With regard to your receiving of serve, once again, what you are doing sounds just fine. You wait until your opponent is ready, and then prepare yourself to serve. If you raise your hand to signal you are not ready, do it immediately – step up to receive serve with your hand raised – clearly showing you are not ready. After a moment or two, you are settled down, lower your hand and ready yourself to receive. This is not cheating. When it starts to border on “mind games” is when you constantly step up to receive serve, get ready, and then declare yourself not ready again, either making the server serve again, or raising your hand again. There is no need for this. It may happen once every so often – which is fine, but if its regular, to my mind, its a tactic, not a necessity.
You are right about a tournament. There, umpires are normally available. However, in a club match – a regular occurrence for a lot of players, then normally there is no one qualified directly at hand who is purely objective.
To Ed:
I think you may have misinterpreted what I said slightly – I don't do the “one-two-good serve” only when the game is tight, I do it EVERY serve. So the time I take to serve won't upset my opponent. However, the annoyingly consistently good short service, sure does get a lot of people confused! 😉 It is a great way of calming yourself and preparing to hit a very good quality shot, every time.
Cheers
Matt
p.s. Paul, my partner and I have become more and more accurate every time we play certain clubs in our league… need I say any more? It is strange how some players see us outplaying them, and resort to blatant cheating, whilst others accept that they are being outplayed, still give everything they have got, and we all enjoy the game, regardless of who wins the final point. Those games are a true pleasure to play in.
10:22 pm
February 15, 2011
Matt
Totally agree. Sadly it's always the minority who spoil anything for the good of the majority.
As always, some very sound advice.
Here's what some readers of the forum may not have got regarding your comment about 1,2, good serve…
This is what's known as mental conditioning, something many players have never heard of and do not understand the power of. Let's just take another sport for a moment. If you watch all the top tennis players, they each have a distinctive pre-serve routine including the throw. This is done for two reasons.
1) conditioning the mind to repeat a known pattern of behaviour both physically and mentally, to achieve an optimum outcome.
2) to repeat a good body rhythm which gives them a “feel good” factor (through pre-conditioning), which releases certain endorphins to assist the body in sending as much oxygen to the muscles as possible, which aids power and accuracy.
Whilst badminton players do not have a “power” serve as such, the power in our serve is through pin-point accuracy and consistency. Therefore, the mental preparation to deliver this consistently is critical.
We've all experienced the time when our mind wonders for a split second in the serving process. The result is usually a disaster.
One of great ways to train your serve is to serve into a box. You could easily make a game from this exercise by placing a shuttle lid inside the box. You then have 10 shuttles. You score 10 points for a lid and 5 points for hitting the box. You lose 10 points if you serve outside of the area or fail to get the shuttle over the net.
You then add a reward or punishment for not reaching a certain total e.g. 50 points. The rewards or punishments can be left to your own judgement as you know what these can be to suit your circumstances.
For good measure you're allowed the best of 3 games, so a reward and a punishment cancel each other out and it's then down to the wire in the third game. That presents a bit of pressure on your serve!
Paul
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