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11:04 pm
March 2, 2011
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Hello everybody! My name is Kerghan and I have played badminton during my high school days quite a lot and recently begun playing again at my university after a one year hiatus. This site along with a trainer who can spot errors in technique really fast made me able to enjoy badminton once again!
But having returned to badminton, I'm quickly reminded at the one thing that keeps bugging me: How to deal with confusing/cheating with short serves mainly during double or a mixed double match.
To clarify: I always thought that when serving you need to hit the shuttle with the blade of the racket below your wrist (underhanded) and the height of the point of impact around your waist.
However, particulairly during a competition of some sorts, there are a lot of people who start their serve like they are going to hit it around the waist but when they actually serve they hit it around their chest area.
Now, pointing out that they are more or less cheating helps for one serve, but after that one serve they will revert to their “cheat” serves because they trained themselves to serve that way.
I can keep pointing it out, to the point that my own partner losses concentration and it might actually be more efficient for our team to let the opponents cheat.
There are also people who try to tell me that the rules are unclear in that area and/or try to mask the fact that they are hitting the shuttle to high.
The service might be the most important part of a match and people who
cheat like this gain a considerable unfair advantage right when the
rally begins.
So basically my question is: How do you deal with these cheaters?
2:06 am
April 14, 2011
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Hi Kerghan, welcome to the forum.
You are right about the service regulations (point of impact below the waist), and it is section 9.1.5 of the BWF Rule Handbook. You mentioned a competition of some sort, but I am assuming that it was self-regulated rather than through the use of an official Umpire who would be able to spot these things (in reality it should be the service judge). It would probably be helpful to get a printout of the Rule Handbook and have a third or neutral party confirm it with your opponent so that there will be no disputes over what is legal and what isn't. The rules are very, very clear about it. Bear in mind also that the BWF's concept of a “waist” is something they call an “imaginary line around the bottom of a person's rib cage”, and not where one would normally tie their belt (this is somewhat lower). If your opponent was serving from their chest area they may have a very small rib cage. 🙂
Of course all of this could be quite innocuous on the part of your opponent (who may be casual players). Perhaps a liitle education is all they need particularly if they have been taught the wrong things regarding how to service!
3:40 pm
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August 12, 2010
Offline Kerghan,
unfortunately not everyone knows the rules. Let us just clarify what these are (the main ones):
Firstly the racket shaft must be pointing in a downwards direction, as long as it is pointing just downwards from horizontal, then it is legal.
Secondly, the entire shuttle, must, on impact, be below the “waist” defined as an imaginary line around the circumference of the body which is in line with the lowest rib. This probably means that the “belly button” is a reasonable area to serve from, but it can be higher. The chest is too high. The actual “waist” where we would tie a belt around our trousers has nothing to do with badminton serving rules.
Thirdly, the shuttle must be struck in an upwards direction – people who are really really tall cannot hit downwards on their serve – it must go upwards to begin with.
There must not be any undue delay in the serve, once the backswing is completed (taking the racket back), the racket must come immediately forwards afterwards for it to be legal (waiting with your racket back is illegal).
Finally, the service motion must be continuous – you are not allowed double motions, or to pause during the serve delivery.
The service is considered to have been started on the first forwards motion of the racket, and the service is “delivered” once the shuttle has been struck. A receiver may move once the shuttle is delivered.
I don't think I have missed anything important, but you never know 😉
Now that we are all on the same page, which rules are being violated?
NOTE: I have been called a fault on my serve by some “older” players, who spouted nonsense about having the racket head discernably below the wrist/hand etc. These rules are outdated, and players should check them more often! Grrr…
Matt
4:45 pm
March 2, 2011
Offline Hello again!
Ray and Math, thank you for your quick replies.
That clarifies the serve rules.
Yes, the competitions I joined were regional junior competions and thus self regulated.
People there have a tendacy to hit the shuttle around their chest height when serving. Most of the times, they don't even realize it themselves.
It is always a bummer when everybody turns against you when you try to enforce these rules.
Either because the opponent does not believe me, or because my teammates think I should focus on winning and not go on and on about how our opponents shouldn't cheat.
I'm now in college, here most people don't cheat with serves, however when they do it becomes even harder for me to say something about it because I'm new and I don't want people to get annoyed by me.
11:09 pm
February 15, 2011
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Good anwsers again. Congratulations Matt on passing the 200 post mark.
Paul
11:56 am
May 6, 2010
Offline I have found that service faults can be the hardest things to call in a club environment. People get extremely touchy at the merest suggestion their serve is illegal. I recently had someone slicing the feathers of the shuttle on the serve making it dip and swerve at weird angles. As far as I am aware the slice serve is illegal and has been for some time. In hindsight I probably should have left it but I did mention it to him after them game. I chose a bad moment as I had lost the game quite badly and I suppose it just seemed like sour grapes. Resulted in an argument or sorts and he has only come back once since then. Oh well perhaps I should just keep my mouth shut.
2:48 pm
January 24, 2011
Offline I don't think slicing the shuttle is illegal, as long as you don't break any of the other service rules (racket in a downwards position etc.). But I may be wrong, not an expert on service rules…
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3:18 pm
May 6, 2010
Offline I was only referring to the slice on the serve itself (hitting the feathers before the cork) rather than in general play. If I am wrong I am doubley bad! 
5:25 pm
May 25, 2010
Offline Even if you are wrong, that shouldn’t effect the number of times he comes to club night. I don’t know what was said but if people didn’t go to club night cause they got told off one night (or had a “discussion”), then there wouldn’t be many people there! Bit like if someone said “do you play tennis much?”, when you’ve never played tennis in your life (see other thread). At first you may feel taken aback but it wouldn’t stop you going again and maybe it’s the only way to get you the chance see the fault.
I would bet that they haven’t been back much since as it’s still summer holidays (or just finished). Once club nights and the season gets into full swing then people come back.
Basically, through my waffle, I am trying to say that I don’t think you are the reason that they have only been once since (better than none, right?).
Matt, great post yet again, gonna have to bookmark that one for future reference. Nice one 🙂
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11:58 am
February 15, 2011
Offline This will always be a touchy subject for some people. There again, they probably can't take any kind of criticism.
If a player is slicing across the feather instead of the cork base, then this is a fault.
As much as it seems a bit nerdy, I always carry a copy of the rules in my bag. This way I can point out the actual rule itself. If they don't like it why not try having two points for you every time you win a rally and one point for them. After all, if they aren't playing to the correct rules they may as well play to your rules instead! (Maybe a bit over the top).
Don't worry yourself over certain individuals – the good of the many outweighs the good of the one. Build your club with the right solid foundations and it will thrive. Allow individuals to dictate to you and you have a disfunctional club – eventually no club at all.
Paul
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