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Mixed Doubles
March 29, 2011
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I started out playing singles but eventually shift to doubles since I find it more exciting and can play longer in the gym without getting tired out within only 30 min of intense singles. In my 2 years of playing, I have also played quite a lot of mixed doubles and have consistently run into the same issues various time while playing mixed. If my partner is a beginner, she would be more than happy to take the mixed doubles stance while I serve and everything would be fine. But when my partners are at intermediate level, I found that some of them would refuse to take the mixed doubles stance while I serve even though their clears are not too strong and they seldom attack from behind.

 

I sensed that sometimes they get offended when I suggested to take the mixed doubles stance so I am not too sure how to suggest in any other manner. In several instances, when me and my mixed partner take on the other men doubles, we are in serious disadvantage than usual because of the stance. In some games, when I can convince my partner to try out mixed doubles stance and engaged in some basic mixed strategies like she dropping from the back and rushed to the net, while I returned to backcourt to attack, we managed to have a better flow of the game, enjoy the match more and even win some games! However, sometimes the advices are not heeded since they think it is “embarassing”, or I think of them as a “lesser” player. What are your experiences playing mixed and do you guys run into similar issues? Looking for some advice. Thanks!

March 29, 2011
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I would say that perhaps you may want to just learn how to play 'doubles' and worry less about what sex your partner is.  Would you ask an Intermedate guy to take a mixed stance if he had a horrible backhand? probably not.  You would try and find a way to minimize his backhand shots, or help try and cover them.  Every game you play will have a less powerful or less skillful partner, sometimes it'll be you, sometimes them.  The trick is learn how to overcome the weak spots, playing mixed just because your playing with a girl isn't always the answer.  

 

March 29, 2011
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Hi Wins, I can relate to what your saying, I played for two mixed teams. One with a young 16 year old who likes to drop back & play level mixed, ( I beleive this will become more common) after a few games of been out manoeuvred the girl been pushed back so they opposition got a weak reply. She also felt hurt when I suggested she played in front, as we ended up going for the same shots  which ended up with us losing.

 We had a good honest discussion after a few matches about our positive & weak area's & worked on these, improved our communication, discussed a rough game plan & how we would attack from certain area's. Evaluate each match game after the first 7 points to see what we had notced about the opposition, weakest player etc. When we played club matches after the game we asked the players what they thought our weak areas were & any thoughts.

Gradually we gained confidence in playing together & been successful. Hope this helps!

 The other club the lady plays in a traditional mixed position, we talk tactics, communicate but it does not seem to register, I try harder & my game fulls apart & we lost most matches. But I know we cant win it by ourselves.

I've  only played  two years of mixed & I'm sure there's people on here with a lot more experience that can give you tips, which I would also take on board.

March 29, 2011
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If your lady partner was twice as strong as you and asked you to play at the net, would you ?

I play with a Malaysian girl who will always take a level position when serve/recieving but forces her way to a more traditional net position as soon as she can.

If there's a weakness being exploited we come up with a solution together.

We did try the conventional way but her husband doesn't like the way I stare at her bum and the way she wiggles for me before I serve.

March 29, 2011
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Simon said:

We did try the conventional way but her husband doesn't like the way I stare at her bum and the way she wiggles for me before I serve.


Hahaha, this is a disavantage of having the husband there!Surprised  For me, if she was doing that it would put me off my game, in a good way though! Laugh Cool

 

I think she is obviously trying to get comfortable or something………………….Wink

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March 29, 2011
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Good topic Wins, this is often a contentious subject within clubs and teams and I can certainly relate when it comes to the frustration of mixed doubles. For the most part, I have only really ever played with Ladies that adopt a traditional mixed stance and very rarely leave the net. The plus side of this is that their net play can be exceptionally good but conversely if they are pushed to the rear court they're like a fish out of water. I also have played with a very strong lady who likes to get back to sides as much as possible but as good as she is overhead if the opponents could pin her to the rear court we were fighting a losing battle.

 

In my opinion some strong female players sometimes want to massage their own ego by proving that they can play sides even if this is at the cost of a victory. Furthermore, from my experience I seldom see an argument on court between a men's doubles pair regarding stance but this is far more frequent between Ladies doubles pairs and mixed pairs.

 

Another example comes from last season when i Played with my mum. It was a bit of a car crash! Mum is getting on a bit and her badminton is becoming rather limited, however her net play is still incredibly tight so put a strong man behind her and shes hard to beat. Last season however despite spending her entire badminton career at the front of the court she obviously subconsciously didn't trust me playing behind her as I'm not as strong or experienced as her previous partners and would begin inexplicably moving backwards! She knew she shouldn't do it but wasn't entirely confident in me behind her. When this happened we got stuffed! When it didn't happen we generally were very competitive. You can imagine the arguments that ensued between mother and son but the bottom line is that a partnership on a badminton court isn't as easy as just saying 'weak lady at the front, strong man at the back' (or some other borderline misogynistic statement) its about playing with each other over a long period of time, knowing each other strengths and weaknesses and adopting a strategy that fits both your games best. It also means trusting each other. How many of you blokes have charged into the net for a shot that your partner was better positioned for an shanked it into the net eh???

This will generally mean playing the lady at the front but I find that a mixed doubles pair where the Lady is strong enough to move backwards without becoming vunerable the most difficult pairs to adapt to – especially if they do it intermittently throughout a game.

 

Talk to your partner…it could be that they're actually not confident in their own net play!

I could go on and on about this subject but I'll leave it there for now!

March 29, 2011
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The first thing I do when I step onto court with any lady I don't play regularly with, the first thing I ask her is whether she wants me to play a mixed doubles strategy or a level doubles strategy. Some ladies say one, and some the other, and others say they don't mind. When they say they don't mind, I insist they choose whichever they want to practice most.

 

Regardless of which is picked, if there are weaknesses in our games, they may get exploited. A solution is not always easy to find.

 

Some ladies, even when I suggest playing mixed, do not want to stand in front. This is fine, as long as we are able to attack the third shot effectively and get into a winning situation, usually with me covering the straight side (including net) and the cross court clear, and my partner cutting out any cross court push/net/drop shot.

 

There are times, when i ask my lady if she would mind standing in front, and I explain to her, that this will better help ME to cover the area of court I need to be covering (which she probably doesn't want to be covering). So, in this way, I make her realise that although she may not be comfortable there, it will really help me build the rallies and hopefully win some games by starting with her in the “ideal” position for mixed. If the lady actually decides she wants to play level doubles, well thats fine too.

 

I think Dobbie has given you some excellent advice about what you should be doing to communicate effectively with your partner.

 

Are there any specific reasons that you need your partner to stand in front? Are they unable to cover the back corners/ the midcourt pushes? Or are they slowly being overpowered. If its not immediate, then changing the strategy (what shots to play) would really help you both understand how to try and get out of trouble!

 

Matt

March 29, 2011
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Good stuff Matt, I'm always a bit worried about asking them in case i get the answer ' i don't mind' so asking them which they'd prefer to practice is a great suggestion.

PS –  I know some veterans that would have a FIT if their female partner refused to stand in front! Yell

March 29, 2011
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This is actually a very good subject and I have read with great interest. I don't mind playing mixed but not overly keen. Possibly caused by the standard of ladies that I have played with maybe? I have spoken to a lady once and said to her to practise hitting clears from the back, because if you don't practise, when are you going to do it?

 

The way I play (badly if you like), there have been occasions where the lady will find herself at the back, on her own. All she needs to do is hit a clear, and allowing us time to move to better positions. Having not practiced this shot it either goes mid court or not over at all. Now, this is not her fault, and not necessary mine (so I like to believe), it's just she has never been presented enough opportunities to do these shots.

 

If there is any shot that you can't do and don't get to practice and should come along during a game, do you think you will pull it off? So I understand it is a bit unfair to blame the lady, and I always would encourage them.

 

My major gripe would be if a shot would be going to the back court and you have great opportunity to smash it and quite possibly win the point, only for the lady to push her racket up at sort of “hit” it without not “hitting” it and losing the point altogether. They must know I'm behind them, if it was level doubles my partner would know I'm there. Do they do this not knowing I'm there or do they just want to play more shots? I don't trust myself to ask this question because I don't believe I would come across in the correct way and quite possibly start an argument! Laugh

 

I think women shouldn't be stuck at the net, then maybe they won't feel the need to do shots like this and leave them for there partner? Is this a fair comment? After all, must get boring at the net all the time and getting smashed at. Cool

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March 29, 2011
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Peter,

 

It is my experience with a LOT of lady players, that they stay far too close to the net, and try to take many many shots that I would consider really quite difficult. Playing the net is, in my opinion, all about comfort: you go for shots you consider are easy to get to, the ones you are in position to hit! You are, in my opinion, only in position to hit a shuttle if it is easy for you to take it out in front of you – therefore stepping further back would mean more shuttles are now easy for you to hit (AND not to mention easier to see them coming). I say playing the net with reference to mixed and level doubles. Its the same: there is no point the front player contorting themselves to play a mediocre shot when the player standing behind could EASILY take those shots.

 

So why would a lady take that shot that you could get?

 

Maybe she doesn't know you are there? Maybe she feels she needs to help you out? Maybe she thinks it is her shot? (if the result was not good, i.e. she wasn't behind the shuttle, then it is NOT her shot unless she moves more – this is the SAME in level doubles – if its not comfortable its not yours!) If it were me, I would perhaps remind the lady in that situation that it is in both of your best interests for you to take that shot and for her to cover the net. This is because her net skills are superior, and you are going to make an extra big effort to get there and play a good shot to set her up for the kill.

 

My personal view on mixed doubles is that a lady will rarely have to enter the rearcourt third of the court (you remember how we said there were three sections at the weekend?). If she does, she is unlikely to stay there (NOTE: using mixed doubles strategy, not level doubles). However, I am hardly suprised if she spends MOST of her time in the mid court third of the court, venturing towards the forecourt to follow up her own attack or challenge he opposing lady/man at the net. From the midcourt, I would imagine she would get plenty of shots, so I don't see why that should be a problem.

 

Food for thought 🙂

 

Matt

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