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6:41 pm
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March 23, 2011
Thanks for all the valuable suggestions! I will try implement some of them next time on court. Better communication with my partner will definitely help. I will also try improving my skills to help my partner out in sticky situations without trying to over-compensate too much. There was one time where I played with a very strong lady partner with great backcourt skills and excellent smashing, so I was happy playing net all day long. In fact I was glad to stay in front and let her do all the hard work! 🙂
7:48 pm
April 15, 2010
Communication is key, but I think trust plays a big part too. I played recently with a strong lady who kept drifting back in the court to 'help me out'. We spent the whole game getting in each others way as I'm more than happy to cover the whole rear court, but as the trust wasn't there it was a disaster. Plus when things went wrong she would try to help out even more which made matters worse.
A few weeks later we tried again in a match and it went much better as she had seen me play a bit more and had more of an idea as to what I could do. This meant she was happy to let things go past her and concentrate on dominating the net far more.
I have to say I can't remember the last time a lady set out to play levels tactics with me, I would just assume they would start at the net and take it from there, not sure what says about me.
The lady will always come back from time to time, and a tactic I often try to use is to draw the lady into the rear court and then expose a weaker smash/clear.
11:11 pm
September 23, 2010
So I cant actually believe what a coincidence this is having discussed this topic today but I had some disastrous mixed badminton tonight for these exact reasons! I went to the club night of my second club (one I go to club night at but don't play competitively for) and there were two quite strong and very experienced female players there from another league who sometimes fill in for this team. The games I played with them could only be described as a train wreck, i don't think Ive ever played with two ladies who refused to go anywhere near the net! It wasn't like they were even playing level badminton – I almost felt like asking them if they wanted me to play at the front! Similarly to Robs experiences we spent the entire game getting in each others way, going for the same shuttle and then neither of us going for the shuttle at all. The bizarre thing was that neither of these ladies were even particularly good overhead but were exceptionally good at the net! There were several rallies in fact where half court clears were traded for about 14 strokes before one of them actually managed to clear to the back of the court and then my partner would simply leave the shuttle expecting me to cover behind them on my backhand side. I'm not sure if they just thought that because it was a club night they would play sides for a change or something but it made me look like a complete rookie/muppet! And then i felt like i had to apologise and say I wasn't used to playing sides with a female partner, ridiculous!
Afterwards I asked one of the club veterans how to approach this issue and he replied 'Kick 'em up the backside and tell them to get to the front!'. Oh dear. Apologies to any female readers.
Rich
10:34 am
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August 12, 2010
Well, you must remember Rich, that if they are playing level doubles, then SOMEONE needs to be at the net. If they are not looking to make their way towards the net, it must be you! If you are going back for a smash that is definitely yours, then hopefully they will go forwards to cover the mid and front court :s
Ultimately, often there is only one thing you can do (with ANY partner who is playing in a slightly strange way – hitting mid court clears and leaving full court clears is neither Mixed nor Level doubles strategy, you are justified in your confusion) is keep your eye on them, perform regular tactical analysis of what they are doing, and move as quick and best you can to cover the gaps. Notice: this is a great skill to have for playing with someone new! You really learn to cover up some of a partners weaknesses! At the same time, this is absolute rubbish for playing a good game of level or mixed doubles, meaning a game with a partner who is able to perform their role to the letter. Covering up for people greatly hinders playing “proper” doubles in terms of getting in the practice and learning to trust your partner.
On this note, I know two very good players, both have some weaknesses. The faster of the two, is always going outside his comfort zone to try and cover for his partner (risky intercepts and unhelpful smashes/drives). This is only because they don't trust each other. Because of this, they do not play “regular” doubles EVER. And because of that, neither of them evolves tactically and they never improve as a pair. The silly thing is, if they just stuck toregular tactics, they'd soon learn to cover each others weaknesses (and their own) properly AND bring each others strengths into play. But because there is no trust, neither of them is particularly impressive.
On a side note: if you EVER go for a shot and so does your partner, ask them: “shall I take those or shall I leave them for you?”. This pinpoints the exact problem, without sounding big headed (you are just trying to work out how to do these things tactically, learn what is “yours”) and can lead to a quick discussion on why you think its yours and why they think its theirs. There are roughly three scenarios:
They want to help:
If they are trying to cover for you, you can tell them “actually I am all over that, so you don't need to worry about it” – notice how I said “all over” meaning there is NO problem for you at all, you may even be expecting it. This should give your partner confidence.
They think its their shot and they are playing a high quality shot:
If they say that they are looking for that shot and think its theirs, AND if they play a good shot simply say “brilliant, where would you like me to be afterwards? Shall I be over INSERT PLACE?” which again will give you both a clear understanding of where to be and what is going on in the rally (your roles).
They think its their shot and they are playing a bad quality shot:
If its not a good shot, reassure them that you can help them out BECAUSE YOU ARE ALREADY THERE!!! Now they don't have to worry about it.
Anything outside these three scenarios e.g. “I don't know” can also benefit from one of these three discussions because ultimately on some level they thought they were meant to go for that shot.
Anyhoo, im sure you've all had enough of reading what I think. Anybody else with some good answers to these problems?
Matt
10:44 am
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March 23, 2011
to see how mixed should be played, just watch Gao Lin in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..3PdqkYtkh8
She is truely a legend. always in control, great smashing, excellent placement of shots, deadly net play, superb defense, bailed out her partner time and again who sometimes crumbled under pressure. My oberservations are that in high level pro or even club mixed matches, the men usually canceled each other out, it is the ladies who have to duke it out and be the deciding factor.
1:32 pm
February 15, 2011
It's all about communication.
Failing that, sarcasm and good old fashioned sexism.
“Imagine the net is a kitchen sink and stay where you belong”
“Just cus I'm wearing white doesn't mean I'm a kitchen appliance, stay away from me”
“Mixed doubles is like playing singles with an obstacle”
Obviously I'm only joking and I take no responsibility for anyone getting slapped for using these comments.
4:32 pm
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August 12, 2010
11:17 pm
February 15, 2011
Has anyone thought to ask their partner what tactics they will employ from the rear court? After all, it’s fine the lady taking the rear court as long as you both understand what she is there to do. The question then is whether the lady is capable of achieving a desired outcome. The next question is always, “OK so you’re going to play X in order to get Y. What next? In your experience, what are the most likely returns and how do we cover them?
Likewise, has anyone asked the lady what they consider to be your strongest combination? What roles each player needs to undertake to make the combination effective? If they agree that your strongest combination is man at the back and woman at the front, then you should resolve a lot of issues before hitting a shuttle.
The answer usually lies in the question. Ask the right questions and your partner will generally reach the same conclusion as you.
Paul
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