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Psychological Aspects of the game
June 28, 2013
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John, I was similar – within 2 years of playing, I had taken my level 1, and a year later my level 2. I did it with the view that it was cheaper than receiving coaching. Unfortunately, it is not as effective as a top quality coach. Which is why we need top quality coaches 🙂 (and better coach education and development?)

June 28, 2013
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Finding a top quality coach to learn from is very difficult. I still remain curious what foreign coaches do with players, how they plan sessions, what discussions take place off court etc. Sadly, I do not have a way to find this out which is a shame. In some ways I'd love to be an international coach however I wonder whether the politics will be too draining.

 

Motivating kids these days is particularly difficult. I have found that playing to music, their music is sometimes very useful. This allows the coach to decide on tempo of stroke production, speed of movement and therefore makes the sessions more interesting. Music sometimes creates a degree of focus that quiet doesn't, hence the wandering mind.

 

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June 28, 2013
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Hi Paul,

Funnily enough I was talking my colleague about using music! I use it myself when I practice with my wife – it helps create a beat to move to.

Have you seen the Best on Court apps for the iphone? They feature Danish coaches (I believe) – some good exercises and drills are used. However, how they normally coach is not shown – maybe they are not that different…perhaps it's the student's that really want to learn!

June 30, 2013
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John

 

I've been involved with Best on Court for some time and received a personal invitation from the creator.

 

I like the program but not sure how much I will use it.

 

Paul

July 5, 2013
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I have just checked out Bounce by Matthew Syed from the library. It is a good read. Thanks to RobHarrison who mentioned it in one of the posts.

 

May

July 7, 2013
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I haven' t read any of those books, and are no pro whatsoever. But if I read all these post, and what those books tend to say, they reduce talent to something completely redundant. I know talent is no exact science, it is not measurable, there's no scale, … Don't want to nag on about this, but I'm curious where these books place talent then ? Or do they ignore it all together, because of the above mentioned reasons ? IMHO, if TH did't have any talent, he would not have won his 1st international tournament on 17y of age (where were LD, LCQ at that age ?). If LCW didn't have any talent, he wouldn't be world nr 1 for how many years by now ? And so on… So, what extra benefit gives talent ? What do you gain when you've got talent ?

Thanks in advance; ED

July 7, 2013
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Hi Ed,

 

You must bear in mind that Taufik had played a LOT more badminton than the others by the time he was 17. It is well documented that he played a LOT of badminton at a young age – more so than the others you mentioned. So, again, it is not necessarily that he is talented and hence successful early on, but he has put in a lot of hours of practice much earlier than the others, and hence is successful early on. To say that players are not gifted in some way is obviously ludicrous. But to say taufik was more talented than Gade (as an example) because he won more early in his career, is not true in my opinion. However, are these guys extremely skillful and excellent athletes? Absolutely.

With LCW – what is his “talent”? Is it an innate ability to be world number 1 on a badminton court? Or is it his sheer determination that he takes into training each and every day? Sure he has some great physical traits like exceptionally explosive power in his legs. Is THAT his talent? Muscle composition is genetic and so can't really be learned. From a young age, he was noted to be using different tactics and strategies to win matches. Is this his talent? To try to win differently? Isn't that mental thing as well?

In most cases, the “talent” as I see it is the determination to practice and focus and apply themselves. I can't tell you what allt he secrets to success are, because I don't know them 🙂 However, every example that I have seen of “talent”, be it in real life or the world stage of badminton, the thing that seems to seperate the “talented” and “special” individuals from the others is how much meaningful practice they have put it. It is the mentality of the individual that has got them to where they are, not some mystical quality that means they are guaranteed success. (note: the MEANINGFUL practice – keeping the correct attitude in training every hour of every session every day is not that easy to do in my opinion)

 

This is the main point of these books – the people generally acknowledged to be “talented”, are, coincidentally, the ones who have practised hardest and longest.

As far as I am concerned, some individuals are talented. They are able to do things that others can't. However, I think it is the mental talents that breed success, rather than having specific “badminton” or “chess” or “singing” talents etc.

Looking forward to hear what you think!

July 7, 2013
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Thanks a lot Matthew, enlightening. This thread has been starting me thinking what talent actually is. It is not exclusively related to badminton, it goes for every little thing in life. No doubt these books have demystified the talent myth, and people who read them have a better look at this then me who haven't read them. I just wondered if talent is a key factor to continue a sport or to stop all together. My son started with football, for a few years. It was okay, but after a while he didn't enjoy it anymore (I was very pleased, cause I profoundly hate the game, sorry folks Wink). I was already playing for a few years badminton then, and I took him with me to the club. He liked it, and still plays after about 7 years now. My point is, perhaps he's got talent for lets say hokey ? How do I tell ? Well, this thread made clear to me that talent is what you have veil for getting there, determination. I no longer win from him easily. Perhaps that in itself says it all. So, thank you all for clearing this up, I really enjoyed reading this.

Cheers, ED

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This has been one of the most interesting posts on this forum.

 

Talent is indeed a very unusual and subjective concept. I think we all agree that the in whatever pastime or sport a person chooses, whilst they may like what they do, whether they are any good at it is determined by a number of forces that must work together. Let's stick to sport.

 

1) sheer love of the sport 

2) because of point (1), the desire for improvement and success is high (although some higher than others)

3) a “gift” or aptitude for the sport that may make them think, train, perform in a way that allows their development to flourish, perhaps at a faster rate than others.

 

When all of these three elements come together, you generally find a person who takes up a sport and improves. This could be low league, advanced, international or even world champion. The difference between all of these is the quantity of each element they possess.

 

I know players that love badminton, follow it around the world, however they lack the physical attributes to develop into top players, even at tehir own clubs. So, whilst all the key elements are there, they are still lacking compared to others, hence the reason they play at their current level.

 

Paul

July 10, 2013
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When playing matches, you arrive slightly late & your asked by the captain to play the first game. Do you find yourself rushed, not mentally prepared? Does the order in which you play in bother you? Do you prefer to watch & get a feel for the environment especially when playing away? Do you prefer going in first & setting out your stall?

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