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3:42 pm
March 1, 2010
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A opponent who has excellent judgement is very annoy. I makes me play safer shots and then it makes his game easier.
Yes agree serving is very important. I like to, in doubles, mostly play shot serves and occasional catch them out with a flick serve to their non racket side. This sometimes gains me a few easy points.
10:21 pm
February 15, 2011
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Rob
Sorry to keep you in suspense. The trick to an awesome return of serve, with bundles of variety, lies in one key area, more than any other. It’s something I’ve been testing for some time and couldn’t believe the simplicity of it and yet the speed of advancement in the players when they got it.
What’s more annoying is that when I’ve shown it to players and walked them through the what happens next phase, they have no choice but to agree with my explanation. And, this works for low, drive and flick serves – we tested it last night on the drives and flicks – piece of cake!
Paul
10:32 am
February 15, 2011
Offline It might be me since I've given up smoking this week and am just really angry all of the time.
If they implement a swear box at my club it'll probably save me more money to start smoking again
11:09 am
April 4, 2010
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Hello everyone,
The most intimidating opponent for me is… hmmm Let's start first off court.
During tournaments, when friends of mine are playing in the same category of ranking (unseeded players), we use to pass some informations to each other when we meet or have met the same opponents. That may not sound very fair but well, who doesn't do the same ?!
And it sometimes happens that a pair we never met before, manages to beat our friends who are supposed to be better than us. So, with that information in mind, I do feel a little bit intimidated while playing against them. I've experienced it twice and each time, we've lost in three games.
That's for the off court part. When I'm starting the game, I'm doing my best whatever the results can be.
The on court part, what I'm afraid the most, is to see a big killer at the net and a master in dropshots.
For an intermediate player (Using Paul's definition as a reference), I have a pretty good game at the net, that makes me the ” Lee Yong Dae ” of our team (yeah, I'm still dreaming 
). So when one of my best netshots is sent back by the opponents, I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable. Especially, if he can kill the shuttle at a low height over the net.
For the drop shot, we all know it can be a winner if used properly. I've seen so many players getting fooled by a disguised drop shot while waiting for a big smash and then, being in defense stance. That is disturbing while a player finds a default in our “defensive wall”.
One last thing, I do agree that a player that can read my game, is a big problem but well, I'm not as good as many of you so my game can be easily anticipated by my opponent. So for now, I have to deal with it.
Jonathan
7:56 pm
March 2, 2010
Offline After long consideration, a master in desception. When your clears, smashes and drops all look the same, this is finetunig what you're already good at.
Beeing beaten by deception, I see it this way: when opposition has a monsterous smash that outclasses yours, the other one is better. When they have physical abilities that reach beyond yours, the other one is better. When they have superb deception technique, the other one fooled you.
Once the shuttle left the racket, you no longer have control over it. The one who can wait until the very last second before hitting the shuttle in such a way you have to analyse the trajectory before knowing what to do, that's what annoys me above all the rest. All other things you can work on physicaly. And depending on the effort and time you spend on it, you'll get there. (IMHO) Deception I catalog under talent, which you cannot buy.
Cheers, ED
11:21 pm
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August 12, 2010
Offline Ed, I have to disagree. If you were to enhance your footwork, play safe, and do not move until you see the direction of the shuttle, then the deceptive player is quickly frustrated, unless he has plenty of other useful skills in his bag (fast/powerful/tactical genius etc).
The only reason I have said this, is not to disagree that a deceptive player can be VERY tough to play against, BUT, that actually a deceptive game can be beaten by removing anticipation and having efficient and fast footwork. Removing anticipation from ones mind is not easy for most people, but if you can't get there after being fooled, then you need to rethink the benefits of your “guessing” or “trying to read” your opponent: you are obviously not doing it well enough, and it seems that your footwork isn't good enough for you to cope in this situation! Solution in my opinion: footwork! Thus, this deficit is STILL physical.
Once again, I don't want to say you are wrong! You are entitled to your own opinion! However, I want you to consider that actually, there IS a physical solution to that problem!
Matt
8:17 am
February 15, 2011
Offline I can think of a number of instances where a deceptive player continually outplayed his opponent and there was nothing they could do about it.
Let’s look at Pullela Gopichand. He was so deceptive and won many games because other professional players could not read his disguise, including a very young and agile Peter Gade.
Then, what about Zhao versus Suprianto in 1990 All England Singles Final. On his day Zhao was so far ahead of other players. In the first game of this final, he made Suprianto look second rate – that was the genious of the man.
You can’t say these players opponents didn’t have exceptional footwork. And, you can’t say they weren’t good in the region of control and mental toughness. They just got caught out on a number of occasions.
I can relate to Ed’s point. Many years ago very few players could spot Li Yongbo’s check smash, it was that good.
At the end of the day, it’s all relative to a given situation. A deceptive player is very hard to beat as you say. You dare not anticipate and have to stay rooted to the spot to then react to the shot played. This messes up your flow on court, creates tension and can play havoc with your timing. Not good.
Whilst I agree there is a physical solution, you have to play in a completely different way than you’re used to. Now, if we were all professional players I’d expect you to be able to adjust to this style of player. However, we’re not and therefore have to do our best to adjust and play a foreign game to win the point. Tough call.
Paul
9:12 am
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August 12, 2010
Offline Of course Paul, you are spot on. Both of those matches were shot production masterclasses from the two mentioned players (i have watched and admired countless times!)
Since Pullela gopichand, I struggle to think of a player who was genuinely THAT deceptive. Interesting that more players don't try to adopt this style at the top of the game (although you could argue that the identical preparation for their shots is the deception in itself). I can think of plenty of players who can play deceptive shots (all the worlds top players!) but none who really base their game around these shots. Can you think of any current player with these traits? It would interest me to see a very complete player, such as Lee Chong Wei, who, even for a pro, has exceptional footwork, play against a very deceptive player, and see how the match would unfold!
I think you have summed up the point I was trying to make in your singles sentence “you have to play in a completely different way than you're used to”. This is not easy, even for those professionals mentioned (Suprianto, Gade, both struggled). It requires that the player goes almost completely passive on occassion, retrieving most shots as best as possible and hoping for some mistake. This is very much outside the “aggressive” mindset of the modern game!
So, perhaps we should all work hard to add a bit more deception to our games? How much fun would that be?
Matt
10:37 pm
March 2, 2010
Offline “So, perhaps we should all work hard to add a bit more deception to our games?”
Oh Matt I fully agree with that ! The one who beats me with deception annoys me most. But I have to admit that I find this the most subtile way of beating an opponent. So if I could and if I would have lots of deception skills, I would like to beat all my opponents with deception. I think this is one of the ways how you can outclass a clearly better player. Off course there are other ways too, but (IMHO) this is the beautiful way of doing things. That is, if you master the skill.
Cheers, ED
7:02 pm
June 15, 2010
Offline “It would interest me to see a very complete player, such as Lee Chong
Wei, who, even for a pro, has exceptional footwork, play against a very
deceptive player, and see how the match would unfold!”
I think we've actually seen this game played many times, everytime LCW plays Lin Dan. I understand Lin Dan has more to offer than deception, but I think it's a pretty big weapon in his arsenal.
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