Discussion Forum

Hopefully everything will work smoothly for you – however, if there is something wrong, please take a moment to email us (forum@badminton-coach.co.uk) so that we can put it right !

 Please do not SPAM this forum – anyone found posting non-badminton related messages or ADVERTISING without permission will be removed without notice and may be banned from using the forum in the future.

Membership of this Badminton Discussion Forum is FREE

To join, just click the Register button just BELOW on the right.  Please note however that any strange email addresses (lots of random letters etc) with an obscure user name will be deleted.

Join My Email Community

Get My Badminton Help, Advice, Hints & Tips

Direct To Your Email Inbox

Join My Email Community

Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

No permission to create posts
sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_Related Related Topics sp_TopicIcon
What Do You Think About When You Are Defending
April 12, 2011
5:37 pm
Avatar
Paul Stewart
Cheshire, UK
Admin
Forum Posts: 1283
Member Since:
February 15, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I thought it would be nice to start a new topic for a change. So, after running through a multitude of ideas I finally settled on this subject.

Rather than me write an article type post here, I decided to open the discussion for you to add your experiences and then I'll give you a few thoughts for you to test.

So, the scenario is, you're standing on the right side of the court and the shuttle is in the corner box. Your opponent is in place to hit a smash and their partner ready near the T to intercept.

Over to you, what are you thinking…

Paul

April 12, 2011
6:32 pm
Avatar
Matthew Seeley
Member
Members

VIP Coaching Program Members
Forum Posts: 391
Member Since:
August 12, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Haha, how many people are thinking “oh no, here it comes…”? If I lifted it, I would probably be thinking firstly “thats a nice lift that is!” (reminiscing about the short lifts i have previously given!) followed by “Lets see whether you can get it past me from there!” OR “sorry for lifting partner!” 😛 Good topic!

Matt

April 12, 2011
11:46 pm
Avatar
sketchy
UK
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 40
Member Since:
April 6, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I liked the “I use the 'oh crap this one's coming at me real fast grip'” quote on the other forum – made me chuckle XD

Personally, I think it's really not a bad position to be in – most players don't pose too much of a threat from right at the very back of the court like that (at least where I play). I know lifting is frowned upon, but I don't see a problem with it, provided you can guarantee to get good length (it's better than over-extending yourself in an effort to maintain the attack).

Anyway, I'd be looking to attack a smash played from that far back. The thoughts running through my head would probably be “I really hope they don't play an attacking clear instead”, because I can be caught out from time to time if they're very deceptive. Apart from that, I'm just focusing on trying to see the shot as early as possible, and deciding what shot to reply with (esp. looking at where the smasher's partner is standing).

If it's mixed doubles, then I'd be a little more worried, and mainly just hoping my partner will be okay, and looking to see if there's any way I can help her out – 90% of the time the opponents will target her instead anyway.

April 13, 2011
10:05 am
Avatar
Simon
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 135
Member Since:
February 15, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I'd never given any thought to what goes through my mind when I'm playing so I made a conscios effort to try it last night.

I can honestly say, that apart from 3 times, I have no clue what I was thinking.

The 3 times aren't gonna be too helpful either.

1. *What did Paul say I'm supposed to be doing ?*

2. *C'mon you ******, make it ******* perfect or I'm sticking it back down your ******* throat* (after a lucky net shot and a bad call)

3. *Pub tonight, not pub tonight, pub, not pub, pub, not pub*

 

It's almost always “pub”

April 13, 2011
1:51 pm
Avatar
Peter Warman
United Kingdom
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 239
Member Since:
May 25, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Pub?

 

What's a pub shot? WinkLaugh  Sounds good to me, is it like a drunk master move or something? SurprisedLaugh

 

My list would be

 

1) C'mon, is that all you got!?!? Yell

 

2) Why didn't I put that in the other far corner? (generally after they have won the rally)

 

I think as well, I don't know that I would be thinking (much like Simon). I think when you play so much you have trained your brain so that it doesn't require a thought process and more instant reaction. This is why it's so hard to learn new things or moves as you need to do this repeatedly over and over so that you can do it without thinking about it. Well, that's what I reckon anyway.

 

I think lifting it into the other the other corner at the back is the best option as either the smasher will have to run to get that shot or the person at the net will go and get it and depending on the kind of partnership you are playing against, might leave the front of the net exposed (so if they smashed again then you would drop shot it).

Another option would be to drop shot it straight in front of you, this is however, risky but can work. It's risky as the person on the T could put it away and drill it into the floor. BUT, this can do a couple of things (again, depending on the partnership you are up against), one would be to caused confusion to who's shot it is as the smasher may go forward to get it and the person on the T may go for it at the same time. Therefore they will both be in one corner with the rest of the court wide open. The other good thing to come out of this is that if you drop shot it, they will either drop shot it back (which you could kill, especially if your name is Paul Stewart Wink) or they will lift it putting you on the attack.

 

Again, depends on who you are playing and who YOUR partner is and how they play. If you drop shot it and the person on the T flicked it across the net to the other side, would your partner see it happen or be able to react quick enough to get it back?

 

Ah, the fun and games of badminton. I don't think I play that well but tend to win points by outfoxing my opponents, but then I only play league so you could argue that I don't really get that tested. But this is the side of badminton I like. And my favourite shot will prove this which is a very risky shot but it works!

 

If you have person at the back and person at the front, you lift the shuttle in such a way that it goes over the person at the front (making them think leave it for the person at the back) but too far forward for the person at the back. By the time the person at the back realises that it's their shot, the shuttle is on its way to the floor. Other shots I like doing is making players clash, if you find the right “hole” they will both go for it and even if they get it back, the rest of the court is exposed……. KAPOW! Cool

 

Not sure if this answers your question Paul? Embarassed

 

Cool

Badminton Gives Me A Purpose In Life – To Serve Others
I'd Rather Be Playing Badminton…………..

April 13, 2011
8:00 pm
Avatar
RobHarrison
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 106
Member Since:
April 15, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I tend to annoy my partners by lifting, sometimes too often.

My thought process is step in and try to drive the return past the person at the net. Going down the sides is usually the best method. This way either the net player is reaching behind themselves to hit it, so a weak return coming, or the person smashing has to come forward and then lift, handing the attack back. The shot I'm describing is underarm, so I don't know if drive is technically the right term to use, but I can't think of a better way of describing it.

If you can step in you also get the possibility of a slightly high smash and you can drive (overarm) straight through the person at the net, often a winner if you make that shot count as the person in the rear court will usually have to reach and lift a that point.

Hope that makes sense, it does in my head. Smile

April 13, 2011
9:11 pm
Avatar
Matthew Seeley
Member
Members

VIP Coaching Program Members
Forum Posts: 391
Member Since:
August 12, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Rob, it makes a lot of sense. I think its important though, that regardless of how you produce the shot, the trajectory of the shot is what gives it its name e.g. regardless of HOW you hit a drive, a drive is a fast, flat shot, usually played into the midcourt or rearcourt. I like your attacking mindset 🙂

April 13, 2011
10:20 pm
Avatar
Paul Stewart
Cheshire, UK
Admin
Forum Posts: 1283
Member Since:
February 15, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

This is getting pretty interesting…

What makes me chuckle a little is that Matthew is so keen to talk himself into a good serve and yet isn’t using the same technique elsewhere on court when given some time.

I’ll refrain from making further comment at the moment and see what other players say.

Paul

April 13, 2011
11:15 pm
Avatar
Rich Mets
Ambleside, Cumbria
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 37
Member Since:
September 23, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Mens Doubles: “Fiddlesticks!”

Mixed Doubles: “Should my partner start wearing a squash visor?!”

 

…In all seriousness I'm actually thinking about how I can get back on the attack from this position. Im trying to think about the position of my opponents and how I can either manipulate the speed on the shuttle to (especially if the smash is flatish) get them moving out of formation or return the smash straight and into the mid court just behind the player at the net and just in front of the player who just smashed – hopefully they'll have to lift and we're back on the attack.

April 13, 2011
11:55 pm
Avatar
Matthew Seeley
Member
Members

VIP Coaching Program Members
Forum Posts: 391
Member Since:
August 12, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Paul:

Spot on haha 🙂 However, i must confess:

I am normally a bit more opportunistic when I am defending. By being low I seem to be able to keep both the shuttle in my vision and my opponents (particularly net player) in my peripheral vision. I am (if I have time), normally thinking: Where are they? Are there any gaps in between them (are they in tactically sound places or not)? What are they covering? Are they moving anywhere? What about the smasher? Where is his weight going? Perhaps most importantly: what are they expecting (what have i done before in this situation)? Can I do something different?

My favourite smash returns are straight blocks and straight lifts, combined every so often with a cross lift/block. I use the drive less often than I could… perhaps I should add that into my game sometime in the future… hmmm… the possibilities. Remember all of you: you block to the net or push to the mid court (straight or to the centre), you follow it in (most of the time). If its a cross court block, then wait and see what your partner does, but one of you needs to go forwards!

If I have less time (rapid fire defense), then thoughts tend to get a little more along the lines of “dig it out, dig it out, dig it out… bring it on!… dig it out…” etc until finally I either miss one, get a good lift and think “have it!”, or hit a cracking block, rush forwards to the net and try and kill the next shot.

If I am the cross court defender, then thats a whole new ball game of opportunities – mostly trying to step in and take any ill advised cross court or centre smash as soon as possible and whip it down the line. I love badminton…

 

Matt

No permission to create posts
Forum Timezone: Europe/London

Most Users Ever Online: 676

Currently Online:
140 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
2 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

Matthew Seeley: 391

Peter Warman: 239

Ed: 186

Dobbie98: 165

gingerphil79: 158

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 10

Members: 1529

Moderators: 1

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 2

Forums: 8

Topics: 581

Posts: 4716

Newest Members:

ehsianturi, wkt_1, merlyn, Suzena, Manoj

Moderators: Design: 0

Administrators: AngieS: 0, Paul Stewart: 1283