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February 21, 2014
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Dobbie98
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I was wondering if any one else game goes through a circle?

A couple of months ago I was playing really well, when the club coach & some of the A team players pointed out a few areas I could improve on.

I start working on those areas & my game starts to fall apart & seemingly getting worse each week.

Then my old nemesis pops up. Being too competitive & wanting to win, becoming aggressive, irritated with partners.

Just wondering why this happens? Is it because your focused on improving the areas your working on & not just playing? Is it just me?

Look forward to your thoughts.

February 21, 2014
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This is a great question and no, your not alone. No one, even at the top of the game, can play at their highest level all the time. The top players realise this and it's their constant practice that enables them to adjust to form changes.

You say that several areas for improvement were pointed out to you.

If you are trying to address all the problem areas at once it's never going to work.Also if you are trying to change whilst playing games this will only lead to frustration. You need practice time and monitoring for the changes to work,

One step at a time is the rule and if the practice sessions can be linked all the better.

I would advise you to have one to one sessions with your club coach or, if this is not an option, get him to formulate a series of session plans for you.

Change is never easy, especially if you have been playing for a while. If you break down what you need to do into bite size chunks it's going to be far more manageable and less frustrating.

As for your  “nemesis”. Being competitive and wanting to win is no bad thing but it has to be controlled. I'm sure that managing your game changes will put you in a better place when playing.

 

Hope this helps

 

Roger 

February 21, 2014
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Hi,

Good advice from Roger. I would just add that you shouldn't try to modify too many aspects of your game at once. For example, if they say your smash technique is wrong then try to break it down and fix a bit at a time – don't make major changes as your game will suffer – you were playing OK so don't break something that isn't broken! Look for small incremental improvements.

You need to control your aggression/will to win. Yes it is a good thing to have but if it is uncontrolled or out of control then your game will go to pieces.

 

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John

February 21, 2014
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Thanx for the replies, guess I put my heart & soul into it, & want to improve instantly ready for playing up at least 1 division next year & all going well attending Paul’s course in September. Just want to improve while I can.
Your advice is good & appreciated.

February 26, 2014
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Am I late to the discussion? I hope not.
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Anyway, yes every one’s game goes through a circle. Don’t lose heart just yet.
How is it going now?

I know not your schedule, but basically try to peak at the right time, when it matters most to be in your best form. Tournaments are a very good example.

All the best…

February 27, 2014
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Dobbie

 

Every player goes through this cycle in varying degrees. When you are working on one particular aspect of your game, your attention and focus is drawn to this, almost to the detriment of everything else. And that's why there is a problem. Also I'll guess you are trying to work on this issue during club night games which is NOT practice.

 

Practice is the thing that 99% of club players will not do. If you want to practice then find a practice partner and book your own courts. Then, you can set up the practice to suit and consistently repeat the routine focussing on improvement.

 

During the day at Milton Keynes it was interesting that a player may be practicing one particular aspect of their game for weeks at a time. Remember, their skill levels are already high. But they have the advantage of a consistently good feed and pure focus, coupled with sheer determination and commitment to succeed.

 

The other aspect to your issue is the way in which we learn. Think back to when you learnt to tie your shoe laces. Initially it was all too much. Then will a number of lessons you managed to remember the sequence and develop the mecganical skills to complete the first part. Eventually you could do all of the technique. However, this is not the end of the example. There is a point where you know what to do, but have to focus on the varying stages. As your competence grows and you lock in the mechanics you reach a point which you can complete the task on a subconscious level i.e. you can have a conversation, look in a different direction and still bend over the tie your laces.

 

It is this last stage in your development where you are really ready to use the technique in a game. You have no issue with all the noise and distraction of the game and can easily (sub consciously) integrate the technique without bringing the sequence to the front of your mind in respect of your concentration.

 

This is where most players go wrong. They do not properly practice.

 

I am now playing at a club and really struggling as I'm having issues with my eyes and missing a lot of shuttles, expecially in defence. I also know that after 25 year of coaching and only playinghalf a season of matches I am not in the best shape reactivly to respond. Additionally, I have just turned 50 which means my reactions are not what they used to be.

 

What I realised very soon wasn't that I can't play the shots, it was simply that I need to groove them and develop the speed of the technique. It is easy to demonstrate a shot without the pressure of speed.

 

So I recognised that what I need is practice. Whilst it's fun to play games, I have slowed down by playing with some of the club members which in turn has upset my rhythm of play. But, overall it's the lack of continuous practice that I need.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Paul

March 2, 2014
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Paul, I agree withwhat you said, all of them. And the analogy of tying shoelace is quite eye-opening to me. I have “homework” to do, to practice and acquire smooth footwork as well as backhand technique.
Thank you.

And… happy belated birthday, I guess!
Wish you get back to your best form soon…

March 9, 2014
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Many thanks Luke.

 

Going for a contact lens fitting on Tuesday which should be interesting – I'm not quite sure fun will be the operative word. However, if this provides me with a better view of the shuttle coupled with practice and the continued improvement of my health since I took up a different eating program, then things can only get better.

 

Paul

March 10, 2014
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It is indeed interesting how we can be good one day and dire the next. I suffer from quite similar things to you, Dobbie by the sounds of it. I have a great competitive nature and desire to win that often makes me play worse. I find that if I get too in to the competition I tense up and lose my focus on the game. So ironically as I try to hit harder I actually hit softer because the tension is acting as a brake slowing me down. My timing gets messed up and I lose my ability to 'see the court and the space' and end up hitting silly thoughtless shots that get me in to trouble. Its funny as 'focus' and the 'determination to win' are not the same. It can be frustrating and hard to turn off the 'must win' factor and concentrate on playing smart. But I suppose you could write a whole book on badminton psychology.

I am of the mind that its ok to practice 1 thing, maybe 2 during a club night game as its a good way of getting techniques you have trained with say a coach or in a practice session previously but it would be very difficult to use the club session as a means to practice something from scratch as you won't get any consistant feeds and its bound to end up with playing the wrong shot at the wrong time and inevitable frustration. The problem I have is keeping the things I want to work on to just 1 or 2. At some point I will see something else I want to look at then something else until I get overload… 

It is a shame that most club players don't want to practice, I mean its hard even to get a knock up before they want to play let alone a warm up! I think it would benefit everyone to have some club session dedicated to practice. Still the best advice I could give is try and get a group of like minded players from the club and set up practice sessions and then try out 1 or 2 things you have been working on in the club night games.

Oh and good luck with the lenses Paul. I wear them and find them very comfortable I hope they will be for you too.

March 12, 2014
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The lenses were a disaster.

 

Had one fitted to begin with and went for a walk. Wow, so many signs were blurry.

 

Fitting number 2 just the same although the lenses didn't feel comfortable. So they gave me a third set on a different prescription. Walked out of the store this time and it wasn't any better. Having spend so long with this fitting I needed to get home. Took the lenses out after 2 hours – wow that was not good. I'm really struggling with this and obviously need a lot of practice.

 

Bottom line, I'm not wearing these lenses as I see better without them. And that should be right.

 

Paul

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