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Who is in your army?
May 8, 2011
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Couldn't agree more. I remember seeing a documentary on lee chong wei and his training, and he himself said that it wouldn't be possible without all the supporting staff and sparring partners that he has. I am under the impression he has at least 4 sparring partners, who change over constantly as they become tired. He really is an incredible athlete, evidently with an amazing work ethic. I know I used to be slightly critical of his defensive/pasisve style and mental frailty. But to look at him now! I can't see any weaknesses! Scary…

May 9, 2011
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I think I saw a clip once where one of the Malaysian single's players would spar with 4 (!) opponents on the opposite court. Probably one of Misbun Sidek's coaching techniques. On a good day (and that is most days of the year, haha) LCW is invincible.

May 9, 2011
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As you're all finding out, there's a huge amount to be said for the coaches and training staff behind players. Additionally, the world of sport has really opened up to the huge part psychology plays in winning/losing.

I recently played a doubles match in training against 2 county players aged 18. Both are very good players. My partner was a division 1-2 player. As you know, I do not play matches and only coach. Consequently my fitness levels were not a match for either player on court. Nor were my reflexes or stroke production because I am not consistently hitting shuttles.

However, over 5 or so games we averaged around 15 points per game, narrowly losing a couple and only losing in single figures (21-9). The reason I tell you is simple. On paper, we should have been blown off court, not reaching more than 5 points a game. What made it worse was that I served more shuttles in the net than I did into court, purely through lack of practice. The game was conditioned in that only low serves were allowed.

So why did we manage to score so many points against such a good pair? Why is it they didn't tear us apart? On a pure physical basis they were the fastest and strongest players on court. So exactly what was the difference?

Paul

May 9, 2011
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I suppose they thought it'll be an easy win for them, because as you said on paper the difference's huge. So they probably weren't focused and therefore their shots were probably missing that accuracy that you have when you're fully concentrated.

On the flipside of this, I've had a really huge match this weekend (playing a tournament with our second best team as a 15 year old) and I got destroyed by someone I normally beat (3-0 record before). I was so nervous (generally I'm not) I couldn't even think clearly and then a service fault cost me a point at like 18-16 down and the last of my nerves. But after the match, someone of our first team gave me a few tips, like that I shouldn't even be competing here (not in an offensive way) and that I should just play for my fun, to gain experience. In my second match of the day, I was then much more relaxed and really enjoyed it, I could've won but after it was clear that we were going to win, I just lacked that 2 percent of motivation so I lost in 2 very close sets. This whole experience just made clear to me that after all, we don't earn our living with this sport, so you shouldn't ever forget what it's all about: fun.

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May 9, 2011
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Couldn't agree more. At my age, it's the pleasure of the game that keeps me going. Had a few really exciting MD's this evening in the club. All 3-setters, lost one, won one.

Sho Sasaki has just always been sub top, he's not that young anymore. Only recently he's improving a lot, in the Asian championchips he played a 3-setter against LD. Has a bit of an awkward style. But off course anybody playing LCW lately gets crushed. IMHO, the dominance of LD is over. Watch the final of the AE. Never saw LCW so determined.

A good team who think they can win, who believe they have the best papers, will play “non-chalant”. Making mistakes, and the opposition can benefit from that. They get frustrated, and again the opposition can benefit from that. Etc. I think it was Justine Henin who once said (but probably a lot of others as well): never underestimate your opponent. Her way of thinking brought her to the very top in tennis.

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May 10, 2011
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Paul said:

As you're all finding out, there's a huge amount to be said for the coaches and training staff behind players. Additionally, the world of sport has really opened up to the huge part psychology plays in winning/losing.

So why did we manage to score so many points against such a good pair? Why is it they didn't tear us apart? On a pure physical basis they were the fastest and strongest players on court. So exactly what was the difference?

Paul


I would venture to guess that forced and unforced errors played a big role in that game, on the side on the opponent. I think speed and strength is just one small component of the game; the ability to read the match and to implement tactics and strategies to beat the stronger pair and exploit their weaknesses would be another. The latter obviously comes with experience. Tactics also include purely psychological ones, i.e. slowing the pace of a game to wear down the patience of an opponent who likes to smash and attack. I think LCW did this to some degree playing against LD during the recent AE 2011 Finals, and LD made some unforced errors that were quite uncharacteristic of him. But LCW kept him guessing as well with some well timed and well placed smashes cross court and lobs to the far back court.

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Ed said:

Sho Sasaki has just always been sub top, he's not that young anymore. Only recently he's improving a lot, in the Asian championchips he played a 3-setter against LD. Has a bit of an awkward style. But off course anybody playing LCW lately gets crushed. IMHO, the dominance of LD is over. Watch the final of the AE. Never saw LCW so determined.


I think LCW's playing style has evolved to a point where even LD seems a bit unsure as to how to beat him on the court. His defense is impenetrable, and any bit of opportunity he gives LCW to attack will be taken advantage of with devastating effect. He's playing against an opponent who is not only patient and technically flawless, but able to wear him down physically as well. When I refer to “patience” I have seen examples of his playing where one would think that the next logical shot would be for him to, say, smash the shuttle or a play a drive cross court, but he would instead play a safer clear to the back court and bide his time to ensure that he is properly set up for the next attack.

 

I have an interesting (though hypothetical) question for Paul: as a coach, what would you likely instruct Lin Dan to do during that AE Final? Assume it's the second game, and he has lost the first one soundly to LCW.

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Ray

I haven't had the chance to watch the final yet!!

I'll take a look over the next few days andmake a few notes. Feel free to jog my memory again if I haven't responded by next Tuesday.

Paul

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Ray

Experience does play a part in a game. However, against the relatively poor opposition the lads faced, they should still have closed out every game in single figures.

I think the reason it didn't happen is threefold.

1) they didn't decide on and implement a good game plan

2) nobody decided to own the net and therefore apply pressure from here.

3) inconsistency in the third shot

 

Serve and return were key factors in the game and that's why I conditioned the game with low serves only. In essence they did not cover the court too well when we were receiving and therefore could not build on their score. This goes back to point 1 and 3.

Paul

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Paul said:

Ray

I haven't had the chance to watch the final yet!!

I'll take a look over the next few days andmake a few notes. Feel free to jog my memory again if I haven't responded by next Tuesday.

Paul


Looking forward to your comments Paul. If you have the chance, the previous Japan Open Final between the two is also an interesting match, drawn out to three exciting games. I would like to have your opinion as to whether LCW's tactics were justified in the 2011 AE Final, where I think he was primarily on the defensive (with some brilliant attacks here and there) but was also able to control the pace of the game and frustrate LD.

 

As for your comment (1) on game plan, how does one avoid being too predictable implementing it? Perhaps I am confusing tactics versus strategy. One strategy might involve going to the net more often since the opponent is weaker in net play; tactics would actually tell me where, how, and when I should make my net plays. I guess there is a subtle difference but it would be interesting if you could quote say an actual match from a Super Series Final (anyone of them really that we can reference on Youtube) and tell us what you think one player's particular game plan was. Sometimes I have a feel for what a player is trying to accomplish but things get quite fuzzy once they start adapting their tactics to a fluid and changing match environment. Looking at someone like Gade, for instance, he would invariably use his skills playing at the net to set up his attacks (so often as to be predictable). But using this game plan against someone LCW the plan would more often backfire due to the latter's superb defense.

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